William_the_Bloody

Your referring to one philosophy of punk, punk is not defined by one political ideology, there is left wing punk, there is right wing punk, there is unbiased and non political punk. The New York hardcore scene had very different social values than California punk scene.

I never said punk or metal was racist, but I implied that particularly during the 80's, bigotry in the punk & metal scene were commonplace amongst many fans, if not some of the bands themselves, it wasn't the paradise of diversity many people like to romanticize it as.

The fact remains that punk and metal were and still are primarily white subculture musical genres. Bad Brains was not the first hardcore band, the first official hardcore release is usually cited as D.O.A.'s hardcore 81. They toured the east coast and had an impact on bands like Minor Threat.

One black band amongst a sea of white bands does not make a diverse musical scene regardless of anti racist factions in punk.


Yes of course there is, rap in the late 80's was the new punk, but it was punk for those people who were not white, and continues to be the musical choice for many non white migrants. If...I believe you did at some point...state that rap sucks, you are essentially telling a whole generation of African Americans that there culture is garbage.


Fair enough but to my knowledge Tiny Bradshaw never had a number 1 hit record, you can correct me if I am wrong. As far as pop music goes, the talent gap between Buddy Holly and Pink Floyd is arguable. The talent gap between Pink Floyd and Green Day is largely noticeable.