Why is "Post-Punk" even considered "Punk"?

Blank. · 07-03-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Is a metal album Punk because it was self produced

Obviously not.

Punks distinguishable characteristic specifically related to sound is it's amateurism and minimalism

The approach to music from a metal standpoint is very different

Similar to punk however saying "metal" by itself practically means nothing when you're just talking about sound

Except many metal groups write simple and amateur music. While metal is praised for its speed and complexity most of the time, it doesn't do away with bands that are metal, but meet the minimalist and amateuristic aspect of punk. Look at Black Sabbath, much of their music is simple to play. So let's consider them punk rock.

Blank. · 07-03-2016, 02:54 PM

Except the drumming material is simple. Even the bass material is simple. While they showed later on more technical ability, the original stuff isn't some great big technical master piece. It's simple material that sounds good.

Blank. · 07-03-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Do you guys know who Suicide is

Fully electronic, one keyboard, no guitars

If you would have said they don't "sound like punk" in 1977 when they were busy pioneering it you would have been laughed at

Just listened. And they do sound punk. But i don't think anyone here said punk rock is playing guitars. Come on.

OccultHawk · 07-03-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Do you guys know who Suicide is

Fully electronic, one keyboard, no guitars

If you would have said they don't "sound like punk" in 1977 when they were busy pioneering it you would have been laughed at

Yes, many posters on here, myself included, are familiar with Suicide. Especially their debut album.

Justthefacts · 07-03-2016, 03:15 PM

I think we've all established elphenor is the king of all punk and the rest of us need shut up.

The Batlord · 07-03-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

sabbath is a band that's praised for the technical skill of its musicians

Not just Iommi who's a technical player but drums and bass as well

If Iommi hadn't hurt his fingers he wouldn't have even tuned down and Sabbath would have been just another blues band imagine that

If I remember correctly they would have gone by "Earth"

And then they ended up getting Dio a technical singer after Ozzy which is the point where I jump ship

Better examples pls

TechnicLePanther · 07-03-2016, 06:07 PM

Can someone summarize the last few pages for me, because I don't want to bother. And somehow we got to talking about Black Sabbath and Bathory?

Blank. · 07-03-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Can someone summarize the last few pages for me, because I don't want to bother. And somehow we got to talking about Black Sabbath and Bathory?

Elphenor claimed that punk music was an attitude. That DIY, amateur, simplistic approach to it. I said that punk has a sound, and that attitude can be applied to bands outside of the punk genre. Bands like Black Sabbath can be met with the amateuristic and simple approach. While bands like godsmack had a DIY attitude in there early days. But you wouldn't call either of those bands punk.

TechnicLePanther · 07-03-2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Elphenor claimed that punk music was an attitude. That DIY, amateur, simplistic approach to it. I said that punk has a sound, and that attitude can be applied to bands outside of the punk genre. Bands like Black Sabbath can be met with the amateuristic and simple approach. While bands like godsmack had a DIY attitude in there early days. But you wouldn't call either of those bands punk.

Okay, punk is an attitude, but not the one he describes.

It does involve DIY, but the punk attitude also includes having a lot of energy, generally protesting the system, and usually angst/anger towards society.

The Batlord · 07-03-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Okay, punk is an attitude, but not the one he describes.

It does involve DIY, but the punk attitude also includes having a lot of energy, generally protesting the system, and usually angst/anger towards society.

His point was that punk was an attitude, but also not a sound.

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Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,034	Except the drumming material is simple. Even the bass material is simple. While they showed later on more technical ability, the original stuff isn't some great big technical master piece. It's simple material that sounds good.