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Old 07-03-2016, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay, punk is an attitude, but not the one he describes.

It does involve DIY, but the punk attitude also includes having a lot of energy, generally protesting the system, and usually angst/anger towards society.
His point was that punk was an attitude, but also not a sound.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Okay, punk is an attitude, but not the one he describes.

It does involve DIY, but the punk attitude also includes having a lot of energy, generally protesting the system, and usually angst/anger towards society.
I'm not saying punk isn't an attitude. In fact it's the exact attitude that you describe. But punk music has a sound. And elephenor is claiming that what I'm saying isn't true.
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that's what I'm saying isn't true.
Trying to figure this one out but I got nothing.
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Okay, so attitude of punk is [see above], and sound of punk is 4/4 tempos, simple and repetitive chord patterns, general loudness, and bad vocalists. Anybody have any counter-examples that will force us to add to the list?
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Okay, so attitude of punk is [see above], and sound of punk is 4/4 tempos, simple and repetitive chord patterns, general loudness, and bad vocalists. Anybody have any counter-examples that will force us to add to the list?
I can agree with this entirely. The punk bands that don't meet these qualifications I don't consider punk. I think that's when they start moving into the punk rock surgenres like post-punk and new wave. Maybe not those ones specifically, but i think you get my point.
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Could literally contradict everyone of these with just the essential punk acts

Do I start name dropping?

Edit1: to say that punk is 4/4 tempos is like ehhhh sort offfffff sometimesssss

if they even play in time ever usually a punk band is constantly lurching ahead of the beat that's essentially what the "out of control" sound boils down to

edit2: "bad vocalists" is subjective if you mean amateur/unprofessional vocalists yes but I covered that, supports the idea that Punk is just amateur attempts at different types of music
I'm sure there would be more people arguing with you, but after so long on this site we've all seen the "The Kinks Were Punk Before Punk Was Punk" dude come around about a million times and try to prove they're the most open-minded music snob around by arguing that punk is/is not this or that, and it's kind of hard to summon up the enthusiasm to start beating the dead horse again. But... you're wrong... and ****... eh.

All I ask is that you please refrain from starting a debate about 4'33". We've had quite enough of those.
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I'm just annoyed because there's this huge amount of punk and someone who hasn't listened to any of it wants to tell me the genre is all power chords and leather jackets

It's treating punk like classic rock

People don't realize that "post punk" is a revisionist term and bands like Suicide actually existed alongside Ramones and the such in the NY scene
You keep claiming someone doesn't listen to punk. Who?
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Inb4 Frown tells us there is no silence.
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Inb4 Frown tells us there is no silence.
Seriously. I.N.B.4.
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