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Lovedreams 11-22-2016 09:25 PM

First Punk Band?
 
What do you consider the first punk band and why?
What was the first punk band you heard/loved and why?

As far as first punk band I would really have to mull it over between Death or the Hollywood Brats. First punk band I loved was the Ramones. First time I heard it it was all over for me.

I'm sure this has been a thread before, but I'm brand spanking ass new, so I don't know what the ****s going on yet.

Tristan_Geoff 11-22-2016 09:46 PM

I consider Television to be the first punk band, by way of diy ethos and sound (Little Johnny Jewel came out in 75).

The first real punk album I listened to was AFI's The Art of Drowning when I was a sophomore in high school. Before that I was pretty big into grunge and late 90s/early 2000s radio rock.

Lovedreams 11-22-2016 09:54 PM

Yeah, regardless I really love Television. Death recorded their first ep in 75 as well, and Hollywood Brats recorded their first album in 73 but it wasn't released until 75 when they had broken up. The only thing is wether or not Hollywood Brats are punk, but when I listen to 'sick on you' I feel like yes, but I suppose that is debatable.

Mondo Bungle 11-22-2016 10:00 PM

<3


Tristan_Geoff 11-22-2016 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovedreams (Post 1771651)
Yeah, regardless I really love Television. Death recorded their first ep in 75 as well, and Hollywood Brats recorded their first album in 73 but it wasn't released until 75 when they had broken up. The only thing is wether or not Hollywood Brats are punk, but when I listen to 'sick on you' I feel like yes, but I suppose that is debatable.

Oh damn, just hearing this for the first time now and it's indeed punk as ****. But then again some would say even Queen Bitch was really punk.

Mondo Bungle 11-22-2016 10:05 PM

The Death singer has a lot of spots on the album that sound like HR from Bad Brains

But that's just because I'm racist

Lovedreams 11-22-2016 10:05 PM

True, it's honestly such a subjective question, it drives me crazy sometimes

Lovedreams 11-22-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1771660)
The Death singer has a lot of spots on the album that sound like HR from Bad Brains

But that's just because I'm racist

Lol yeah, I'd say reverse that, but yeah I've thought that too.

Lovedreams 11-22-2016 10:08 PM

Also, love the Shane-O Mac gif homeboy

Tristan_Geoff 11-22-2016 10:17 PM

I missed seeing Death live a few years ago at our local music festival. Their sons are doing the band under the same name and I heard they still have it going on.

Tristan_Geoff 11-22-2016 10:18 PM

Oh and Black Monk Time was pretty punk for it's day as well. As were the Stooges, which I know a lot of people agree on being the definite first.

Lovedreams 11-22-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1771669)
Oh and Black Monk Time was pretty punk for it's day as well. As were the Stooges, which I know a lot of people agree on being the definite first.

Yeah, I've often said the stooges, but recently read an article that kind of challenged my opinion on that. Pretty much can't go wrong saying the Stooges.

rostasi 11-22-2016 11:00 PM

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bob. 11-23-2016 07:59 AM

glad to see you back man....hope you stay :)

Lovedreams 11-23-2016 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1771668)
I missed seeing Death live a few years ago at our local music festival. Their sons are doing the band under the same name and I heard they still have it going on.

Yeah! I grew up in Vermont playing music with their sons, namely Julian. Great family.

Frownland 11-23-2016 01:09 PM

The Sonics


Lovedreams 11-23-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1771861)
The Sonics


I love the Sonics :love:

Tristan_Geoff 11-23-2016 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovedreams (Post 1771858)
Yeah! I grew up in Vermont playing music with their sons, namely Julian. Great family.

WOAH WTF REALLY???

Dude tell us more please :tramp:

Lovedreams 11-24-2016 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1772028)
WOAH WTF REALLY???

Dude tell us more please :tramp:

Yeah, I was good friends with Julian Hackney when I was living in Burlington VT. Everybody used to live or hang out at this frat house that a bunch of punks bought and turned into a punk house called 138 (we are 138) we used to all play music in the basement together, and Julian was there alllllll the time. It was really fun times.

Tristan_Geoff 11-24-2016 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lovedreams (Post 1772090)
Yeah, I was good friends with Julian Hackney when I was living in Burlington VT. Everybody used to live or hang out at this frat house that a bunch of punks bought and turned into a punk house called 138 (we are 138) we used to all play music in the basement together, and Julian was there alllllll the time. It was really fun times.

That's awesome. Wish I had more opportunities like that in NC.

EPOCH6 01-19-2017 10:45 PM

I haven't been able to find anything pre-Fun House that I feel confident calling straight up punk. This album makes me a ****ing danger behind the wheel, this album makes me feel invincible.



The earliest sound I've found that almost feels like punk is The Pretty Things in the mid to late 60s.

Check this out, 1966!



But it's still just a dirty blues-rock 12 bar, not nearly as off-the-rails as The Stooges were a few years later.

Paul Smeenus 01-19-2017 11:04 PM

About 1983 in Portland I saw hometown boys Poison Idea




...open for Dead Kennedys


Chula Vista 01-19-2017 11:10 PM


Tristan_Geoff 01-19-2017 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1797678)

true

Tristan_Geoff 01-19-2017 11:13 PM

But seriously now.


Justthefacts 01-20-2017 12:23 AM


Frownland 01-20-2017 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797686)
I think this band is legitimately not that good

maybe if they turned the singers mic off

I like Plant but I'd like Zeppelin more if they had a masculine singer.

What exactly makes Communication Breakdown punk? Is it Page's sloppiness? :D

Chula Vista 01-20-2017 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1797772)
What exactly makes Communication Breakdown punk?

Ask Johnny Ramone.

https://dontforgetthesongs365.wordpr...ck-revolution/

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Yes, you read right, Led Zeppelin created punk rock; Just ask Johnny Ramone who credits Page’s down stroke style “Communication Breakdown” as being the foundation for the sound of the Ramones. Mickey Leigh of The Rattlers was the one who not only introduced Johnny to Led Zeppelin as he explained in his book, I Slept with Joey Ramone: A Family Memoir, when he recalled this famous exchange with the future guitarist of The Ramones when he wrote, “One day, I started playing Led Zeppelin’s “Communication Breakdown,” and John was really impressed.
“Wow, you know about down strokes, huh?” John said.
“Whaddaya mean, down strokes?” I answered.
“Ya known, how you’re picking everything downward” John said, motioning.
“I’m just trying to play how it sounds.” I explained.
“Yeah, well that’s really important,” John told me. “Most people don’t realize that. That’s how rock & roll should be played. All of it! Everything should be a down stroke.”
And Plant's voice was perfect for Zep. When you have a rhythm section of Bonzo and JPJ slamming everything home in sledgehammer fashion, you need the high end to counter and compliment it.

Frownland 01-20-2017 01:58 PM

Louis Armstrong made the first jazz fusion album if we're gonna go by that logic.

Tristan_Geoff 01-20-2017 02:06 PM

To be fair CB is pretty damn proto-punk.

Frownland 01-20-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1797913)
To be fair CB is pretty damn proto-punk.

I actually agree, I was just making a joke about Jimmy Page.

Frownland 01-20-2017 02:14 PM

Flimsy by punk standards + pre-1976 = proto-punk

It's really only the guitar riff and drumming throughout, the rest is more standard classic rock.

The Batlord 01-20-2017 02:15 PM

Still the best Zep song and I'd put it on a proto-punk mix in a heartbeat.

Chula Vista 01-20-2017 02:37 PM

Johnny Ramone says that CB, and the way that Page played it, was a major influence on the basic foundations of the Ramone's sound, i.e., PUNK.

MB members chime in on how JR's comments, back when The Ramones started to explode on the scene and influence EVERYONE, mean nothing.

OK, got it. This place blows my mind sometimes.

Frownland 01-20-2017 02:39 PM

So you think that being an influence on punk means that it is punk? This may blow your mind but I really disagree with that. Can you back up how CB is punk in your own words?

The Batlord 01-20-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797933)
Idk man something like VU had as much teeth as punk ever had

"Sister Ray" was post-punk before punk, and has more punk energy and attitude than the vast majority of actual punk.

Chula Vista 01-20-2017 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1797936)
Can you back up how CB is punk in your own words?

Go grab an electric guitar. Then turn up your amp as loud as it can go with tons of gain and distortion. Then close your eyes and imagine it's January 1969. Forty eight ****ing years ago.

Now play Communication Breakdown using nothing but solid down-strokes so that the root note is prominent.

Half a decade later everyone takes Page's approach and creates punk. Including the seminal Ramones.

Do the ****ing math.

Also, stop being the 2016 dick-weed Frowny. You're arguing with me just to argue. You don't have a point. You're just poking your tiny stick. Again.

Frownland 01-20-2017 02:57 PM

Yeesh forgive me for trying to have an actual discussion and see your side of things, Mr. Sensitive (I'm not even sure how you think my last post was douchey). This persecution complex bull**** is getting on my nerves.

I still don't think that influencing punk is the same as being punk. That's called proto-punk. See my Louis Armstrong example. It'll take more than "1969!" to sway me.

Tristan_Geoff 01-20-2017 04:31 PM

Opinion: Who put out the first punk track, the Monks or the Seeds?

Frownland 01-20-2017 04:38 PM

Ernest Hogan


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