The Beastie Boys

Surell · 05-06-2012, 03:45 PM

Yeah, "punky Hip Hop guitar bursts" was definitely their signature, you got me.

I could name just about every one of their albums for better production standards; their production was key in their legend. I won't hail them for their lyrics but I'd rather you didn't knock them for it when you're showing such a stubborn ignorance about their music. I posted an entire album with key moments for you to listen to, so when you get around to that...

Also, as far as great albums go: Ill Communications (very jazzy with a couple of heavy tracks and contributions from Q Tip and Biz Markie) and Hot Sauce Committee Part 2 (heavy and emphasizes distortion, can't comment on much else as i've only listened twice) as well as Check Your Head (jazzy and heavy, a blend of the past two).

Btw, Twisted Fantasy is only amazing as far as mainstream Hip Hop is concerned; outside of that, I would call it extremely competent but not the best. Black Up by Shabazz far exceeds it and it got half the attention and marketing as the former. Ghostface has consistently put out better material and most people forget he exists. Kanye got most of the hype because of his marketing strategies.

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Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-06-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Surell

Also, as far as great albums go: Ill Communications (very jazzy with a couple of heavy tracks and contributions from Q Tip and Biz Markie) and Hot Sauce Committee Part 2 (heavy and emphasizes distortion, can't comment on much else as i've only listened twice) as well as Check Your Head (jazzy and heavy, a blend of the past two).

To Add to that The In Sound From Way Out (even though it was only an E.P.)which was basically 70s Funk mixed with 60s Lounge music.

Hardly punky guitars with shouting.

Surell · 05-06-2012, 03:54 PM

I haven't heard that one, but we are lacking a couple of albums from the discography around here. Sounds flame though.

14232949 · 05-06-2012, 04:07 PM

I have heard Ill Communication and did not care for it very much.
I did not exactly prompt me to check out any of their other works.

I want actual rapping in my hip-hop, it doesn't matter much to me that they have songs where the instrumentals are influenced by 70's jazz, or 60's funk or whatever, I don't see why you guys blindly look past their obvious flaws as MC's (which is their primary function in a hip-hop group) to focus more on the instrumentals they use.

If I was after instrumental hip-hop, there are artists I would look for, who just choose to neglect lyrics rather than chuck in some poorly delivered ones over the top of what's already been laid.

To be honest guys, I can see you're all fans of the Beastie Boys, but I am not interested in getting in to them, so thanks for the recommendations, but I don't think I'll take you up on them. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

In regards to MBDTF, it may have gotten a **** load of hype (**** me, it's Kanye West one of the most popular figures in pop culture, what did you expect?) but it's worthy of said hype.
Also, it seemed as if you couldn't name a Beastie Boys record which was superior to it anyway, so why bring it into the conversation in the first place Surell?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-06-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mankycaaant

I want actual rapping in my hip-hop, it doesn't matter much to me that they have songs where the instrumentals are influenced by 70's jazz, or 60's funk or whatever, I don't see why you guys blindly look past their obvious flaws as MC's (which is their primary function in a hip-hop group) to focus more on the instrumentals they use.

Because that isn't one of their primary functions, so therefore I don't see it as a flaw.

14232949 · 05-06-2012, 04:12 PM

Anything after '84 is considered as hip-hop.
I'm pretty sure that that makes rapping one of their primary functions.

That's like saying Nas is a hip-hop artist, but nobody should listen to what he is saying, because one of his songs contains a Eurythmics sample and that's what we are all really interested in

**Janszoon** · 05-06-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mankycaaant

I have heard Ill Communication and did not care for it very much.
I did not exactly prompt me to check out any of their other works.

I want actual rapping in my hip-hop, it doesn't matter much to me that they have songs where the instrumentals are influenced by 70's jazz, or 60's funk or whatever, I don't see why you guys blindly look past their obvious flaws as MC's (which is their primary function in a hip-hop group) to focus more on the instrumentals they use.

If I was after instrumental hip-hop, there are artists I would look for, who just choose to neglect lyrics rather than chuck in some poorly delivered ones over the top of what's already been laid.

I think they're decent as MCs actually, but in hip hop, as in every other type of music I listen to, I care much more about the big picture than simply focusing on the vocals. As I implied earlier, MC-ing wasn't "their primary function", making music was.

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Originally Posted by mankycaaant

To be honest guys, I can see you're all fans of the Beastie Boys, but I am not interested in getting in to them, so thanks for the recommendations, but I don't think I'll take you up on them. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Honestly I'm not some kind of Beasties superfan and never have been, but I certainly respect them.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-06-2012, 04:19 PM

Paul's Boutique isn't one of my favourite albums because it's a great example of hip hop, It's one of my favourites because I think it's good album and I like the mix of styles on it.

**Janszoon** · 05-06-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mankycaaant

Anything after '84 is considered as hip-hop.
I'm pretty sure that that makes rapping one of their primary functions.

That's like saying Nas is a hip-hop artist, but nobody should listen to what he is saying, because one of his songs contains a Eurythmics sample and that's what we are all really interested in

Why are you so intent on putting them in a box? One the their greatest strengths was the fact that they weren't content to simply be hip hop. Like most interesting artists out there, they pushed boundaries. That's the very thing that made them good. If everybody always followed the rules, music would really, really suck.

**Janszoon** · 05-06-2012, 04:23 PM

Man, Bad Brains suck. Their music is completely flawed because they refused to stick to the hardcore script.

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14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	I have heard Ill Communication and did not care for it very much. I did not exactly prompt me to check out any of their other works. I want actual rapping in my hip-hop, it doesn't matter much to me that they have songs where the instrumentals are influenced by 70's jazz, or 60's funk or whatever, I don't see why you guys blindly look past their obvious flaws as MC's (which is their primary function in a hip-hop group) to focus more on the instrumentals they use. If I was after instrumental hip-hop, there are artists I would look for, who just choose to neglect lyrics rather than chuck in some poorly delivered ones over the top of what's already been laid. To be honest guys, I can see you're all fans of the Beastie Boys, but I am not interested in getting in to them, so thanks for the recommendations, but I don't think I'll take you up on them. We'll just have to agree to disagree. In regards to MBDTF, it may have gotten a ** load of hype (** me, it's Kanye West one of the most popular figures in pop culture, what did you expect?) but it's worthy of said hype. Also, it seemed as if you couldn't name a Beastie Boys record which was superior to it anyway, so why bring it into the conversation in the first place Surell?

05-06-2012, 04:12 PM	#126 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	Anything after '84 is considered as hip-hop. I'm pretty sure that that makes rapping one of their primary functions. That's like saying Nas is a hip-hop artist, but nobody should listen to what he is saying, because one of his songs contains a Eurythmics sample and that's what we are all really interested in