Untalented? You might not like his music and think he's an idiot, but the guy is clearly talented. Very talented in fact. He will go down as an all time legend within the music industry.

If a woman's pussy is always dry she's not a good ****. If a rapper's hip hop is always dry he's not talented. The dude is DRY. Entertain me! He can't. Because it takes talent and he has none. Has he sold records and wooed critics? Yes, because there's an endless well of people who don't know **** about hip hop. He's BORING. There's nothing worse than boring. People on here bash ICP. They wipe their ass with Kanye. Ten seconds in you know the difference. ICP is fun. Three 6 Mafia are fun. Fun is better than boring. It takes more talent to be fun than it does to be boring. I don't give a **** if he's popular. He's like a pair of sneakers. The same way I'm not interested in Jordans I feel the same way about Kanye's music. Dull as a pair of ****ing sneakers.

You're the worst.

Making music that millions of people love is a talent. How he gets to that position is talent.

He's also incredibly versatile for a mainstream rapper who managed to stay within the public eye throughout his entire career. Not many charting hip-hop artists have attempted a transition like he did through his last 4 albums.

Not if all those millions of people are sold by marketing and not talent and have no taste. And they don't. Massive popularity is more of a sign of lacking talent.

Going by conventional "good music" standards, Kanye West makes good music. He has made - and continues to make - music that closely resembles a large proportion of critically and mainstream acclaimed Hip Hop. He doesn't make music that's so wildly different from the vast majority of successful Hip Hop (either mainstream or critically) that you can state that his listeners have "no taste". At the very least he has a talent for making music that appeals to the masses.

Talent is subjective. Personally I think that his marketing talents are much stronger than his music talents and that equating popularity with talent is kind of a misnomer.

I'd argue that he (specifically) is popular because of his talent.

If Kanye didn't do Kanye stuff all the time he would have been a has been by 2009. Fact.

Somebody didn't hear Yeezus

I agree with Fowndumb.

It'd be 4.5/5 if Kanye didn't rap on it.

He has a talent for getting a big crowd of people with actual musical talent to make his albums for him.

What are you talking about? He is the one with all the talent on the producer side. I agree with Frown about him not rapping on his stuff. The production work he does is top notch but as far as his rapping skills. That's a bit so so and more iffy.

Jansz always says this. I wonder if he would apply the same logic to the pop stars he enjoys? Anyway, Kanye's marketing talent is a talent and therefore talent.

Who gives a **** who writes/produces/****s out the music? If it's enjoyable it's enjoyable.

And if it's boring it's boring

Subjectively, of course.

I'm talking about the fact that his albums have a crapload of other people doing the production work on them.

Yes, he would apply that same logic—assuming, of course, that said pop stars didn't actually exhibit any other talents.

I wonder if people would like him more if he didn't swipe the mic away from the oh-so-great anointed one Taylor Swift. If you ask me, she's the cunt

With how much of a control freak he is, I'm sure he still has a heavy hand in the production work.

I think people on here don't understand what a producer does.

A producer puts together and arranges the music. He doesn't necessarily create any of the music, but he does put it together. He is the final say on what goes where and how and why.

Now the confusion comes in because typically hip hop producers are the ones creating the beat, because most hip hop producers use samples. Kanye West gets talented musicians together has them create the sounds he uses to produce the music. He has final say and he is very talented at it.

Edit: A producer is not a composer. And I have never liked Kanye's music because of his shenanigans. I liked it because it's good and I have a superior taste. If any of that were true you'd think that Hopsin or Jokerr would be much bigger rappers because that's how they tried to kick start their career.

She tries too hard to try and be friends with him, like she's seeking his approval or something, it's a bit cringe worthy.

She tries too hard at trying to look like the nice girl getting picked on so she can push a victim rhetoric for attention.

I'm pretty sure Kanye's plowed her at some point and is still a little salty he's with Kim.

I think you aren't giving him credit for how involved he is when it comes to creating beats. He uses a beat machine himself and has produced/made beats for many others including Jay. Yes, he needs people to help him with writing since he isn't that great of a lyricist but when it comes to the production. He isn't just sitting back after making some calls to other musicians and letting them have their way with the beats.

Maybe taking the contributions of talented people and turning it into boring music is his true talent.

He's great at that!

Kanye has created some of the best beats in history without a team behind him. And even more of them with a team.

To add to this, music is made by not just one person but multiple people. I don't think rappers and producers and hip-hop in general should be limited to such narrow thinking. Except with lyrics, I DO believe rappers should write their own lyrics and not depend on a team to help with that.

Examples? Just curious.

My opinions on his music

1. I don't generally like his music.
2. I do acknowledge his impact on hip hop and pop music.
3. He's a twat.

Those three points, to me, make him a person who I'm generally confused as to why he's so popular. I just don't get it.

I don't care how music is made as long as it's good. My issue with Kanye is I don't think his music is good. When I hear the old "yeah but even if you don't like him, you have to acknowledge his talent", it brings me around to the fact that I don't think he's particularly talented either.

I know he's a lot more involved than that, DJ, but yeah. It's him putting his ideas out, he just uses other talents to help. I've read up on some of the methods he's had going into producing his albums.

I think he's good and talented. If he wasn't talented then anybody could do what he's doing. And they can't. I mean, if he wasn't good or talented he wouldn't have gotten to where he's at. It's not controversy that put him there because controversy doesn't sell records. The celebrities that rely on controversy are forgotten when the controversy is gone. Kanye is never forgotten ever. Even with controversy gone. He's always known as one of the greatest to ever do it.

Goofle's opinion is the only one that gives me pause. There are so many treasures in his year by year lists that I've really come to respect his opinion.

Good to see you'll admit when you're obviously wrong.

Thanks Occult, means a lot.

I'm assuming you have listened to his albums? Most of his earlier stuff was produced either by him alone or with one other guy. MBDTF was his first album that had a gazillion different producers.

Here's a few tracks he produced for other people:

This beat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSBfUAFDgaM