I agree with this.

Come on, you can't understand the hype?

It makes perfect sense to have reasons to not like it, but you gotta be able to see the appeal and sense the difference between him and other generic rappers. He is absolutely different, not the jesus of hip hop he and everybody else makes him out to be, but he's more then average.

He is nothing but average most of the time.

Oh okay, your average outlook on music has changed my mind. Thanks.

Ouch you hurt my feelings............

Quick to make assumptions because I do not agree with you? How mature.

Quick to make assumptions when you make such a frustrating generalization. Give me some reasons why he is average, because you and me clearly have different idea's of what that means.

And **** off with that maturity card this is the internet that doesn't count for ****

Only doesn't count if you can not be. Now I'm not giving you reasons just because you are an ass.

Kanye's latest album isn't autotuned, gucci man-knock off dirty south ****, it doesn't come with a dance, he's not featuring weezy.

His music is original, it sounds different then other mainstream stuff, i dont get how in any way it doesn't i just want somebody to give some kinda reasoning behind it.

You can call anybody average, and hip hop artists are easy to dismiss as any pop star, and people come in with the pre-notion that its same old mainstream **** without given it any real listen.

This is the standard for hip hop right now people:


and kanye is still part of the average?

like this not just cause it's funny, but also for the song :)

Kanye west is still part of the average. Just because he is a stand out in today's mainstream **** does not mean he measures up to classic hip hop artsits. Just because his production team is killer does not mean he is. He is an okay lyricist, but his delivery and flow are pretty meh to me.

you do know that he does most, if not all of the production work on his albums, right? not to mention that before his solo debut he produced not only single tracks but entire albums for artists like Jay-Z, Alicia Keys, and Ludacris.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_W...on_discography


i can understand not liking his rapping/lyricism, but to say that he's not talented at all just isn't true.

Please point out where I said he was not talented at all.

Oh wikipedia as a source lmao.

I took a look at that btw and I did not see him producing entire albums for them.

Oh good lord I've had it with this ****...

my mistake on the entire albums thing; but surely, being active for that many years on that many different artists' work must say something about his production talent.

i know you didn't say he wasn't talented at all, i was just making a point. what you did say though is so doesn't that mean you just said he was killer, aka above average? ;)


and by "stand up to classic hip-hop artists" do you only mean lyrically? cause for hip-hop music, isn't sound involved too?


also, sorry for the late reply, i just got up from a nap

longevity doesn't say anything about talent imo. You like putting words in people's mouths don't you? I clearly said he is average. Musically and lyrically he does not stand up to classic hip hop artists.

well that's like your opinion maaaaaan

even though imo it's a horrible one. Lyrically I agree but production/musically I think something is wrong in your head if you can't tell how great he is in that area. :crazy:

alright, i stand corrected on what you said, that was my fault. still, i have to agree with what djchameleon says, musically he's got his own swagger and style, especially for a mainstream hip hop artist. the way i see it, while alot of his contemporaries may focus on making hits, Kanye's really a guy who focuses on making music. even the stuff that aren't released as singles you can tell that they still have the same amount of work and care put into it as much as his hits, and they're not all meant to be club-bangers or radio hits. you can tell by listening to his albums that he really enjoys making music.

a few examples



-yes, some of those were singles/hits, but they still show how far from alot of his other contemporaries he can be.

as for standing up to classic artists, lyrically i can agree to an extent, cause lyricism isn't his main strength, but music wise, that's more of a subjective thing, and since Kanye produces his own music, he has a bit of a leg-up if your just comparing him fully like that to rap heavyweights like Biggie or 2Pac. if your comparing him to past producers though, then once again that is subjective, and imo i think he has and will doing well to push the medium of hip-hop production forward. still, i respect your opinion if you think past producers are better.

one more thing, and i don't mean to sound patronizing, but how much of Kanye West's music have you heard, if i may ask?

Biggie and 2 Pac IMO are overrated and that is because of their deaths honestly haha. I have all his albums downloaded.

Can we get much higher?

Love that song.

And how about the music video for monster? Sick

Bashing Kanye is one thing. Yes he is full of himself, ****y and an all around prick. He gets whats coming to him as far as I'm concerned.

But Biggie and 2 Pac overrated?? Come on.. Im starting to think you just don't like rap and hip hop in general. Biggie was amazing. He still is amazing. And both their deaths were tragedies. Not something to be laughed at or mocked.

His new one with Katy Perry is a tune.

YouTube - Katy Perry - E.T. ft. Kanye West

yeah I saw the video for that and I loved that....oh that is the video


Let me hook it up for you.



it reminds me of something I would see from Bjork.

I agree, it's a good song.

I don't like the remix. It's kind of boring.

What about the video?

Again, not my cup of tea. It's not really Katey Perry's normal thing and I'm not a fan of Bjork in regards to that reference.

The video is good but she's not attractive in the video which is a bit of a shame.

Cheers for hooking the vid up DJ mate. I love Bjork!

I love the video E.T. and as an artist I think Katy's expanding her reach. As for Kanye, I am a fan of his productions but not a fan of him as a performer.

The video reminds of watching a drag show in some NYC club. Not too exciting.

I am starting to believe that Kanye West is some kind of mad genius (like he seriously suffered a psychotic break or something). I really like his last album and I like how he does whatever he wants but - I wish he wouldn't do stuff like this.

edit: David Lynch directed this? Bad move.

You sure about this? I really have a hard time believing that.

I'm not sure and I hope you're right, maybe I was just drunk when I thought that. Lemme check..

Yeah, looks like you're right. No evidence. Somehow his name got tagged on the video when I watched - probably just in a tricky bullshit ad. Or I hallucinated.
Either way, thanks! I was truly disappointed in the man.

Currently working through twin peaks as we speak (not sure what to make of it yet)but yeah, i doubt katy perry has even heard of david lynch before.

I do really like the "your an alien!" vocal part, but everything else in the song is really boring and kanye seems too old to be doing teen girl pop songs, get mac miller or some ****.

Kanye was at Coachella, who knows why, and he was awful. Sounded like a 12 yr old on a karaoke machine. Very disappointing finale after acweekend of awesome musicians. He did havd fireworks though.... So i guess that made the kids happy.

oh wtf! shut up

really?

He wasn't awful, he was the best thing to happen to Coachella.

Most of the other acts were boring as hell.

Really? I've always heard great things about Kanye live.

he probably had the best performance there.

I'll find a link for you to watch some of it

crap the full performance was at this link but I think they snatched up some of the videos

http://bossip.com/370665/full-90-min...ce-video69691/

I've actually been watching the videos, lol.

I came back to tell sillysillymary that they were wrong.

Kanye is like the leonardo da vinci of Rap he gives the mainstream rap game a new look and a diffrent view he's artistic with it.