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Old 12-20-2012, 09:51 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Name me another hip hop album from 1988 that you think has more dynamic production and better lyricism.
Straight Outta Compton

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I'd even argue that I enjoyed Bass Patrols, Rock This Planet more. But I do enjoy PE, I just find more entertainment in others, As the political angle grows tiring when you just want to throw on something and party.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I would rather party to PE tbh.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:56 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I would rather party to PE tbh.
Different strokes. I can somewhat see where Manky is coming from. I don't wish to paint it as a bad album, I enjoy it and listen to it on occassion, but theres a time and a place for everything I guess.

I will give PE some credit thought, they are one of the better live hip hop acts in History.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:59 AM   #24 (permalink)
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His opinion is valid in that it's his opinion, I listened to it this week and it was bomb.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:01 AM   #25 (permalink)
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His opinion is valid in that it's his opinion, I listened to it this week and it was bomb.
I think it was a decent album. I think they have the ability to become grating after awhile with all the unneccessary multi layering they do with their music.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:37 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Straight Outta Compton

By All Means Necessary

Life Is Too Short

I'd even argue that I enjoyed Bass Patrols, Rock This Planet more. But I do enjoy PE, I just find more entertainment in others, As the political angle grows tiring when you just want to throw on something and party.
I'd argue public enemy's brand of noise is more distinct. It has aged because the music and content were focused on the political climate of the time. It's still heavier, and harder then anything of the time.

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I greatly prefer Follow The Leader and The Great Adventures of Slick Rick.
But in terms of production, none of the three albums can stand up to what's being produced today, I just feel that A Nation of Millions has aged the worst out of the three mentioned.
You really think it's aged worse than follow the leader? Give me siren's and some crazy noise over quiet drum loops and robotic sounding flow.

It's not on a nation of millions but by the time i get to arizona goes too hard



Cold Lampin is a great goofy track still

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Old 12-20-2012, 10:55 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I enjoy Rakim as a rapper, the guy was the innovator of multi syllable rapping and if it weren't for him we'd be stuck in the dark ages of novelty (eugh, I don't even want to call it hip-hop) like Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash. Okay, the production isn't the greatest, but neither is Public Enemy's, they did what they could do with that they had at the time.

Yes, I understand the record is about the oppression of the black man and Chuck and Flava encouraging their 'brothers' to rise up, but as a white teenager who was born in '93, I find it hard to connect with this album, so it loses its most redeeming feature on me. If you take out their political message, really what are you left with on this record.
Below par production and a lot of shouting 'Terminator X', naa not for me.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:04 AM   #28 (permalink)
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As for criticisms

-notion that "hip hop is dead" when in fact, it's only getting better
-similarly, associating 90's hip hop with "good", simultaneously assuming newer hip hop is shallower

-Copious consumption in mainstream hip hop.
-Though it has deflated, the "punchline" rap from a couple years ago was ridiculous. Incessant formulaic bs, "he ain't even go to class, beuller".It was bad
-Homophobic attitude still very persuasive, intrinsic in gangster rap.
-Female rappers,though equally talented, are, for no apparent reason, constantly getting ridiculed. Azealia Banks rap's better than a lot of equally successful male artists.
-Hip Hop, and metal (?) are really the only the only genres i can think of as male dominated as hiphop
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:08 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I enjoy Rakim as a rapper, the guy was the innovator of multi syllable rapping and if it weren't for him we'd be stuck in the dark ages of novelty (eugh, I don't even want to call it hip-hop) like Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash. Okay, the production isn't the greatest, but neither is Public Enemy's, they did what they could do with that they had at the time.
Right because no other person would have thought of any multiple syllable rhymes ever. Public Enemy's production IS better, that's my main point.
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Yes, I understand the record is about the oppression of the black man and Chuck and Flava encouraging their 'brothers' to rise up, but as a white teenager who was born in '93, I find it hard to connect with this album, so it loses its most redeeming feature on me. If you take out their political message, really what are you left with on this record.
Below par production and a lot of shouting 'Terminator X', naa not for me.
I understand. Can you really enjoy slick rick then? He raps about being a ganbanger.

I can empathize with Public Enemy because I believe oppression at the hands of the government exists, whether or not i am part of the lowest socioeconomic minority or not.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:16 AM   #30 (permalink)
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As for criticisms

-notion that "hip hop is dead" when in fact, it's only getting better
-Copious consumption in mainstream hip hop.
-Homophobic attitude still very persuasive, intrinsic in gangster rap.
Totally agree with these. I was actually going to mention the first one myself but couldn't think of how to word it.
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