Hip-Hop criticisms

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-20-2012, 12:22 PM

I liked it because I thought what I heard of it sounded good and I wanted to hear the rest of it. And I ended up liking that just as much.

FRED HALE SR. · 12-20-2012, 12:31 PM

I think the only criticism I have of hip hop is i'm getting ****ing old. I am consistently feeling like a dumbass when i go to hip hop shows and see all the kids in the audience.

Surell · 12-20-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant

As for production, you can't say that hasn't aged with time, you think A Nation of Millions sounds like something Clams Casino would turn out today. I don't.

Yeah, it sound better.

Just so no one complains about the intentional vagueness here: Clams Casino's instrumentals i've heard are kind of corny, all new agey vocal samples and wind-like synthesizers; Terminator X's beats are frantic, siren-like, perfectly fitting for the revolution Chuck D wanted to provoke or evoke. It's almost sad, considering the energy and purpose of X's beats and the stagnancy/inactivity of the airy atmospheres Clams creates. Not to say his contributions to LiveLove weren't hot, but "Peso" was just as good as well as "Acid Drip" and those weren't his.

Sparky · 12-20-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant

Yeah sure, I know it exists. But the plight of the black man in the 80's doesn't really interest me in 2012.
Slick Rick was in character, it's not supposed to be taking literal, check Children's Story. It's just enjoyable for being off-the-wall and imaginative, as the title suggests he's a great story teller.
The fact he has the unique mix of African American and Londoner accent definitely helps.

As for production, you can't say that hasn't aged with time, you think A Nation of Millions sounds like something Clams Casino would turn out today. I don't.

It's really hard to respond to this. The way you phrase "the plight of the black man" sounds mocking, as in public enemy is hard to take seriously because you think they were exaggerating something that, in your immediate environment, wasn't existent. Hence why you think the album is poor, and why those at the time thought it was radical and thought provoking music. If it makes you feel validated to turn your nose at a pioneering sound in the genre, I won't stop you. However, the reason Flava Flav was in the group was to be the antithesis to Chuck D's conscious style. You seem all too eager to plant your little catchphrase "all it is is them shouting terminator x" no matter how un-true it may be.

The bold portion i don't know how to answer really. Obviously Clams Casino (of all the people to name) won't be trying to replicate public enemy circa 1988,just as how Radiohead aren't trying to reproduce the beach boys. I'd say beach boys have aged but you can't deny it's value at the time.

FRED HALE SR. · 12-20-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky

It's really hard to respond to this. The way you phrase "the plight of the black man" sounds mocking, as in public enemy is hard to take seriously because you think they were exaggerating something that, in your immediate environment, wasn't existent. Hence why you think the album is poor, and why those at the time thought it was radical and thought provoking music. If it makes you feel validated to turn your nose at a pioneering sound in the genre, I won't stop you. However, the reason Flava Flav was in the group was to be the antithesis to Chuck D's conscious style. You seem all too eager to plant your little catchphrase "all it is is them shouting terminator x" no matter how un-true it may be.

The bold portion i don't know how to answer really. Obviously Clams Casino (of all the people to name) won't be trying to replicate public enemy circa 1988,just as how Radiohead aren't trying to reproduce the beach boys. I'd say beach boys have aged but you can't deny it's value at the time.

For the record I own every PE album and listen to em still on occassion. You can't deny the impact these guys had on conscious level rap in general. The rap game did change for the better with the inclusion of PE. I think where they really set themselves apart was their live show, Only the Beasties have impressed me more in a live setting. Somebody had to be anointed as the rolling stone kings of rap, and PE was definitely not a bad choice as they transformed hip hop for the better.

**Janszoon** · 12-20-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky

The bold portion i don't know how to answer really. Obviously Clams Casino (of all the people to name) won't be trying to replicate public enemy circa 1988,just as how Radiohead aren't trying to reproduce the beach boys. I'd say beach boys have aged but you can't deny it's value at the time.

I'd also say, much like Public Enemy, the Beach Boys production still sounds great.

Sparky · 12-20-2012, 02:02 PM

Still need to listen to Pet Sounds, if only there was rapping on it

Surell · 12-20-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky

The bold portion i don't know how to answer really. Obviously Clams Casino (of all the people to name) won't be trying to replicate public enemy circa 1988,just as how Radiohead aren't trying to reproduce the beach boys. I'd say beach boys have aged but you can't deny it's value at the time.

Down below!

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'd also say, much like Public Enemy, the Beach Boys production still sounds great.

Besides, Radiohead have cited the Beach Boys as influences; their best stuff is influential to a lot of great musicians, including Paul McCartney in his Beatles days.

Surell · 12-20-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky

Still need to listen to Pet Sounds, if only there was rapping on it

More importantly, you need to listen to the Smile Sessions. Check it on Spotify if you have one, if not, I'll up it.

More importantly than that:

I tried to find a DL but no luck

I saw it once on vinyl and passed it up like a dipshit for Jaydiohead. now i'm mad.

Sparky · 12-20-2012, 03:05 PM

smile sessions? ill check it out fosho.

I poked around and couldn't get that j dilla mash either,which is a bummer. One of the links ended up being for pornstreet.com lol and the other was just 0 mb download which seemed kinda sketchy

12-20-2012, 12:22 PM	#51 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I liked it because I thought what I heard of it sounded good and I wanted to hear the rest of it. And I ended up liking that just as much. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

12-20-2012, 12:31 PM	#52 (permalink)
FRED HALE SR. Neo-Maxi-Zoom-Dweebie Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,752	I think the only criticism I have of hip hop is i'm getting ****ing old. I am consistently feeling like a dumbass when i go to hip hop shows and see all the kids in the audience.

12-20-2012, 02:02 PM	#57 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	Still need to listen to Pet Sounds, if only there was rapping on it

12-20-2012, 03:05 PM	#60 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	smile sessions? ill check it out fosho. I poked around and couldn't get that j dilla mash either,which is a bummer. One of the links ended up being for pornstreet.com lol and the other was just 0 mb download which seemed kinda sketchy