djchameleon

Nobody says anything because the black community that you are trying to defend actually loves those songs.

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butthead aka 216

realtalk i hear what u are sayin and pretty much agree with all of it tho i do think youre kinda sayin in an indirect way that rich white guys are ruinin black culture thru hip hop. which is somewhat true i guess my point is that its less of a race thing for ppl in that industry and more of a moneygrab and that blacks are doin it as well. i would give some blame to the rappers where you dont. i think guys at the top of the food chain are very aware of their image, lyrics, etc and willfully do all the negative stuff that comes with the black stereotypes. clearly theres a blueprint and path for success and guys are always gonna eventually hop on and off of that path if its makin dollars

a somewhat side note i dont really understand the 'black community' as its a singular voice or entity or whatever u wanna call it.

Soulflower

And why do you think the urban communities loves those songs?

Why do you think the black youth loves those songs?


They love it because its being targeted at them. The industry is specifically targeting these exploitative songs towards those demographics.

Nobody says nothing because America's priorities are screwed up on the real issues that need to be addressed and unfortunately black people always get the short end and are always falsely represented.


I personally find it offensive because you have black kids listening to these songs believing these songs and these false images. The music does not fairly reflect the hip hop culture and African American's. It's not right...

Soulflower

I agree with this point and I did acknowledge that the rappers are to blame as well. Because their are alot of rappers that are glorified on this site that are a BIG part of the problem

I just wanted to make the point that when it comes to those major labels, a lot of those rappers do not have control over the type of music they make but at the end of the day they do ultimately have a choice. They can stay on those labels and make gimmicky exploitative music for a few dollars or go the independent route.

Which is why I said I have a lot of respect for MC's who stay true to their craft and most importantly stay true to hip hop. I will always support those MC's and admire them because their is no money in making real hip hop music anymore which is why its so easy for any mediocre wanna be rapper to sign on a major label and come out with a ignorant anthem.

When I say "black community", I am talking about African Americans, black culture, black images, black representations etc.

I think its a money issue as well as race issue. The industry is perpetuating these negative, exploitative and degrading images/stereotypes of black people.


I do agree with a lot of the points you made as well.

djchameleon

You should find it more offensive that the certain black kids are not willing to take responsibility for their actions. You can try to blame it on the industry and media all you want but kids don't have to fall for material that is targeted at them. Parents should be more involved as well to let them know the crap they are listening to isn't **** that goes down in real life.

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Rjinn

There's a big hip-hop (skip-hop) culture in Australia and well... they're white boys. I don't think I've heard a black man make Austrailian hip-hop.

Which is good... because hip-hop here I find horrid. Aussie speak + hip-hop = really bad.

Anyway this re-instates my point about different cultures in today's hip-hop age.

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Soulflower

Whether we want it to or not, rap does "indirectly" influence audiences but my main issue with it is how black people are being falsely exploited. Instead of negatively representing black people, I think the current rappers can positively showcase their strengths whether kids listen to their music or not.

Everybody is influence by what they hear and see and form stereotypes and misconceptions so its not just kids that can potentially be affected.
Its not JUST rap music though, its music in general and everything around us (that influences).

Your right parents need to step up and teach their children BUT music most definitely can also have a great impact on how we view the world around us. It especially has a tremendous impact on young people and is also another source in how they learn and are influence. So yes, by default, it does teach audiences something

These so called "socially conscious" rappers that call them self political need to put their money where their mouth is and go out in these communities and enlighten the youth instead of sabotaging their brains with bullsh#$

Scarlett O'Hara

There is a lot of white rappers in Russia. If you're interested I can suggest a few you could listen too.

In New Zealand there is a decent hip hop scene. Australia apparently has a hip hop scene according to a friend.

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@Realtalk

i don't think you can blame the record companies for how these rap artist choose to express themselves..

you telling me 'Bitches, hoes, bling' was invented by the white man?

No this black exploitation started from within the black community they are the ones who keep glorifying that thug lifestyle..

And ofc if there is a buck to made in that the white man is gonna jump at it and make it a product.. that's expected but the creative control always start by what the artists is saying and they build a brand around that.

i don't think you can absolve black ppl from how their current culture behaves or promotes

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djchameleon

To add to what Black Francis is saying, there are also powerful black people doing the exploiting as well. So it's not just oh some white guy executive alone doing it.

This thread is starting to make me think of this article I read about Suge saying that Jimmy Iovine is in the KKK. The whole "white man" mentality like they are the only ones responsible. pfft.

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