Soulflower

Yes because that is not Hip hop.

Hip hop was created in the ghettos and in the slums. It was created through hardships black youth/minorities endure and they used that as an outlet. It reflected a culture and lifestyle. "Bling Bling" "Money" "Rims" has nothing to do with that. That was something the establishment made to exploit black people in the worse way which is why this issue is not only about greed but it is also about racism as well. Yea I will admit that we are responsible for kissing the man's ass but we most certainly did not create this false hip hop that they push on the radio.

Hip Hop is more than just a genre and when people understand that this whole discussion will get put in perspective. Rap music did not just suddenly change into gutter garbage because "rappers" invented that. The industry did that because hip hop was viewed as a "threat" because of what the real MC's was expressing in the music The "truth" is always threatening. Now it more controlled where they control what is being said and what is being said is not hip hop. People really need to open their mind and think deeply about these issues and not so surface. Its always interesting to see people of the different persuasion blaming black people for their own depictions but I guess it is easier for them to do that since they are not the ones being falsely represented.

djchameleon

Bling bling, money and rims reflects their current lifestyle and it's better to rap about what they know than to pretend they are some social activists trying to look out for the good of the community. People wouldn't buy that ****. well maybe you would but it would come across as fake as the whole persona that rappers make up about being thugs and dealing drugs when they aren't about that life.

Social commentary still exists in hip hop it's just more underground now and there are only a select few mainstream artists that still make social commentary.

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Soulflower

LOL


There is a hell of a lot more to hip hop than just "drug dealing" and poverty. Hip Hop tells a story. Hip Hop is honest. Hip Hop is sincere. Hip Hop BRINGS up social issues. Hip Hop ENLIGHTENS. Hip Hop INSPIRES.

The issue has nothing to do with these individual rappers specifically. The issue is that the INDUSTRY wants to promote a certain type of image and a certain type of music and they want to market that as hip hop when it isn't.

The same argument that you are making can go for the "bling bling" as well because that doesn't reflect hip hop and that is not being true to hip hop. That is a industry made image

My issue is this:

If these rappers want to rap about bling bling and how much richer they are than me.... fine LOL I dont care... because they are not getting none of this peasants money LOL I just wish they didn't make interviews bullsh!tting that what they are making is hip hop. Don't make interviews implying that your music is authentic and is prolific when it isn't.

I personally am not looking for these rapper's to pretend to be something that they arent but I do have a problem with how black people are being exploited which is a much bigger issue.

Alot of people drink the kool aid... I dont.



Yea I agree

This is why I previously said you can not be rich and continue to make raw hip hop because that is not something the mainstream industry is trying to promote.

djchameleon

Since you are going that route and you have been this whole time. About Hip Hop being a culture. Hip Hop's culture has changed over the decades since it first started. Just because it WAS that way in the past. It's not that way not for the most part because the culture has changed and it's something you have to accept or don't. You can keep living in the glory years of Hip Hop and listen to only the type that you like.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Soulflower

You're right hip hop has progressed but it just simply does not accurately reflect the culture in the mainstream industry. It is a difference between progression and fraudulent.

I actually listen to current MC's that still make hip hop

djchameleon

You listen to current MCs that make hip hop that was relevant during the 80s and early 90s. That isn't the current state of hip hop but how it was in the past.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Soulflower

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Soulflower

lol I listen to current new millennium rappers as well although yes my specialty is the eras that you mentioned but the point is I still listen to new rappers.

I simply will not accept the establishments white washed caricature of hip hop which is why I don't listen to the radio or support these label made rap gimmicks.

You're right hip hop has progressed but it just simply does not accurately reflect the culture in the mainstream industry. It is a difference between progression and exploitation.

Anubis

Where are the great indie rappers at? I want great music as well!!

GuD

This sounds vaguely familiar. Hmmmm... oh yeah, someone had same idea more or less except in the punk thread.

There's plenty of new hip-hop that exists without the "white washed" caricaturization.

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