No you're giving a reason why he should get "more credit" while failing to mention what that credit is.

From what I can tell right now is just exposure.

Eazy E mostly gets that credit since he founded the group and Ruthless Records.

I never hear Ice Cube cited as the driving force behind the band by the media.

Ive stated these reasons through out this thread

AND

I have also stated what the "credit" should be which I feel should be accolades and praises which does not necessarily have to be in the form of an award.

:laughing: Eazy E didn't write a single song, hell Ice Cube had a good hand in Eazy's best solo album, and I've never heard anyone say "Eazy E was the brains behind NWA" from a credible source. Ice Cube is always cited, seeing as he wrote most of the songs, and was easily the most prominent rapper on what is easily their best album. He literally gets most of the credit for Straight Outta Compton, which if anything, is one of the most overrated albums of the 1990s. I love the album, but I've heard much better. I think I like Ice Cube's solo work better.

So what are these "accolades and praises that don't necessarily have to be in the form of an award" and "magazines, documentaries, etc. which is nothing more than media exposure" are you talking about?

I vote he should be built a church.

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Meme on Reddit=Not underrated.

I know this already you don't have to tell me this lol

Tell the media that...

Eazy E is presented as the dominate driving force behind the group, not Ice Cube.

I do love Eazy by the way.

I don't think that album is overrated. I think it deserves the credit it gets.

Ice Cube may be cited as a songwriter but he has never been cited as the driving force or the main center of the group like you are implying.

LOL


Being acknowledge for what you have done for a genre is different from "media exposure". Anybody can get media exposure for doing anything. I just think when they do different segments discussing hip hop that he can be mentioned as one of the pioneers or when they do different tributes discussing pioneers that helped changed hip hop he should be mentioned. When these urban magazines or music magazines do their commentary they could cite him more.

Just another ex.
Frankie Beverly and Maze won a Lifetime Achievement Award 2 years ago on BET but it doesn't necessarily mean their musical influence is not underrated.

Yes but all you're doing is targeting media publications as if that's the only thing that matters.

I love Eazy too, his style is almost unmatched IMO. I just like hearing his voice and delivery. He makes every song more interesting, and I do consider him a driving force, but that doesn't change the fact that Ice Cube gets most of the credit. I've never seen the media give credit to Eazy, and if they do it's probably because they're always trying to inflate someone's legacy when they've died, even if it's at the expense of others who are still living. I doubt Ice Cube minds, he's making millions, and has a fantastic catalog that he will live off of if his acting career or rapping career take any sort of nosedive.

Not to mention, he has one of the most impressive musical resumes of any rapper of any decade.

It probably does, but I don't think it's as great as most people seem to think. It's a very good album, and I'm glad I have it, but some people act like it's the Holy Grail of hip-hop. It's certainly one of the most important records in the history of the genre.

How does he not? He literally gets most of the credit, and I'm not talking about subjective opinions, I'm talking about facts, he wrote most of the music.

Straight Outta Compton is from the 80s, not the 90s. I do agree about Cube's solo albums being better though.

You're right, it was released in '88. I always associate it with the 90s for some reason. Probably because it was the start of what every west coast hip-hop artist was trying to emulate later on.

I mentioned that in my last post but I have also mentioned other things besides that throughout this thread

I really love him too! He is actually my favorite out of the group and Ice Cube is my 2nd favorite. Like you, I like his delivery and the personality in his voice. I actually really like his offstage persona as well.

I think he was the driving force in getting the group together and creating the label. He definitely deserves the credit in that.


He does not get more credit than Eazy E.




Eazy E is an icon.

He represents a certain period of Hip Hop and he gets credited as an important figure of that era. He deserves to be an Icon even if he had not passed away




Well he probably does not mind but it is nothing wrong with discussing his career and how his contributions could get more noticed.



I think so to




I think it deserves the credit it gets because it not only changed Hip Hop but it culturally changed how Hip Hop was represented and used in society.Hip Hop was now a tool for more serious/complex/controversial issues besides the regular dance tunes by LL Cool J, Heavy D, etc

It is just a really great album lyrically and production wise. It tackled a lot of issues that were consider taboo or to controversial at the time especially with the injustice toward black men and police brutality going on at the time of the album. It still goes on but just saying.



Just because he wrote the music does not mean he is the main center of attention and gets most of the credit.

I think SOC is a bit overrated too tbh. I like the singles but there's not much that interests me on there aside from them. The Chronic and Doggystyle though... :cool:.

If you type in "Ice Cube is underrated" in google there are a million of searches on this topic that pop up. Most of all the hip hop forums and music forums believe that Ice Cube is underrated.

You can type in that he is overrated and find loads of results also.

lol! That is true.... but I think you will find more results suggesting he is underrated

he is a living legend for hip hop, who cares about google results?!
how can he be underrated with so many album sales, TV shows, movies etc etc...you know you are not underrated, when you are a gangsta rapper and get appearances in family tv shows...

get your logic out of here. It isn't wanted.


joking btw since you are new and don't know my humor.

Well the google results show that there are ALOT of other people that feel the same way not just me.

TV shows, family shows, appearances has nothing to do with music or accolades associated with music.

Tbh the way I see this is he's rated by the people who matter I. E. Hip hop circles and that's good enough, not just him just saying in general with any artist, if they're good the people who know their onions will acknowledge their talent.

If you asked casual hip hop fans their opinions on greatest rappers ever I doubt they'd mention ice cube cos he's not a household name but tbh I doubt he would care, hes rated by his peers and hardcore fans of the music.

I don't think you understand how search engines work.

Maybe this is a difference in our ages or the counties we live in, but I think he absolutely would be mentioned by casual hip hop fans as one of the greats because he is a household name.

Agree and very true

Krs One, Gangstarr, etc they are all rated high in their hip hop circles but if you ask someone on the street who are the pioneers of hip hop, they would say a political correct mainstream response.

Hip Hop fans from the ages of 13-25 do not know the impact Ice Cube has made on Hip Hop.

A casual Hip Hop fan would not cite Ice Cube.

I casual hip hop fan would probably cite a rapper like Jay Z.

When I searched it various hip hop forums and music forums popped up with the same question

"Why is Ice Cube Underrated?"

"Ice Cube is Underrated"

"Top Underrated Rappers- Ice Cube"

so forth and so forth

If they're really into the genre I'd imagine they would know.

As I indicated above, I think that may be very dependant on the age of the person you're talking to.

This sounds like someone that doesn't know any hip hop heads(aka Hardcore fans). It doesn't matter what age they are. The internet is a thing that makes it easier to discover older artists and they would be all over Cube's material.

Ice Cube's solo albums might not get mentioned by casual fans but they definitely know who the **** NWA is.

Janszoon I respect your opinion but I disagree with this.


I think the music taste and interest of a Hip Hop fan is greatly impacted on their age and what they have and have not been exposed to. Now of course there are exceptions but do you honestly think the average 13 year old is going to be aware of the impact Ice Cube has had on Hip Hop? Do you even think they would know that he is a rapper and not just an actor?

I don't understand. You're saying you don't expect a 13 year old to know the history of hip hop because of their age, yet he's underrated for that reason?

Maybe it is. If I were to ask say twenty random people I know, roughly my age, I'd get answers like Jay z, Kanye, Eminem, 2pac and so on. I'd be genuinely surprised if they mentioned ice cube.

Yeah but if you asked for a top 10 list he'd be included.

I'm not sure he would to be honest. But this is impossible to prove.

Yes, I do think they'd know. When I was a thirteen year old rock fan I was well aware of all the classic rock artists that had a big impact on rock music, I see no reason to think a thirteen year old hip fan would be any different with regards to hip hop.

Right, like if you asked twenty people my age what rock/metal bands they like, you'd probably hear a lot of Slipknot, A7X, Lamb Of God, Killswitch Engage, Korn etc.

Doesn't mean that The Beatles and Led Zeppelin are underrated, or that the average "casual" rock fan wouldn't know who they are. I think there's a significantly better argument that they're overrated, or at least that they get the respect that they deserve. Ice Cube may not actually be a "household name" today, but it's mostly because the genre isn't anywhere near as popular as it once was, but I still think he is a household name, even if he isn't as relevant as he used to be.

He is still a household name because of the movies he has been in and continues to put out but as far as music. He hasn't released anything music-wise in so long. If he continually put out music, he would gain new fans that would go back into his discography and check out this other work.

Na that's not what I said.

I'm not saying he's underrated or that the casual fan doesn't know who Ice Cube is or haven't heard of him mate, I'm saying I don't think he'd be included in many top 10s of people I know around my age in this country. And I don't think Ice Cube would give a shit either since anyone who actually knows their stuff rates him.

DJ says he's a household name cos of his films, I'm not a film buff but I would struggle to name more than one film he has been in. Boyz In The Hood, there was a kid's film he did a few years ago and that's all I know tbh. I would say people like Will Smith, Natalie Portman, Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp etc are household names in movies not Ice Cube. If you're asking who the most famous actors are now Ice Cube would not be someone I think of.

Yup, yup. My point exactly.

He isn't very relevant in the music industry today, and the last song that I remember him being a part of that was a big deal, was "Go To Church" with Lil Jon and Snoop. Not sure what he's released since, but that was actually a pretty big hit back in about '06. I admittedly don't pay much attention to him anymore, and I barely paid any attention to him back then, the only reason I know the song is because it was on the radio all the time.

He is a pretty big deal, and a household name musically a lot more than he is as an actor. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't know who Ice Cube is, or anyone who doesn't know that his primary body of work is as a rapper.