The Official 'Ice Cube Doesn't Get The Credit He Deserves' Thread
 

Yeah he never gets the props that he deserves that's why he was inducted into the Hip Hop Hall of Fame.

Where do you come up with these claims that people aren't getting the attention they deserve and are underrated?

So crazy.

LOL

There was a big controversial debate recently over what a news reporter wrote about Slick Rick. Slick Rick was either late for a concert or it was something he did at the concert not sure but the reporter said Slick Rick was not a legend and people made a big deal about that. It was all over the radio and people were giving their opinions.

There are other people in the Hip Hop community that NEVER get their props not just Slick. Doug E Fresh, Krs One, LL Cool J, etc are all underrated as far as their impact/music.

I can't even talk to you when you make claims like that.

You think Krs One gets the props deserves? Ice Cube is underrated as well.

They all get the props they deserve for being pioneers. The whole list of guys you rattled off are in the Hip Hop Hall of fame and get talked about all the time.

Ice Cube gets credited as one of the pioneers of gangsta rap. His name gets tossed around by the media in those top MCs of all time lists constantly.

What kind of bizarro world are you living in?

LOL

DJ I must be living in Never Never Never land because I have NEVER heard Krs One OR Ice Cube get the props they deserve.

Krs One complains ALL the time about this as well as Chuck D.

Krs One and Ice Cube have NEVER received any accolades or tributes for their contributions to Hip Hop neither has LL Cool J.

The media loves LL Cool J but he is never taken seriously for his works and contributions for hip hop.

Just because someone is talked about does not necessarily mean they are being recognized for their impact and influence.

Most of the time I always hear people hype Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac etc

NO ONE never talks about Krs One or Guru. I never heard anyone talk about the rappers of that era. No one never talks about LL's first two records that were very important to hip hop.


Where are these award shows and critics that are acknowledging what these rappers have done for hip hop?

Why do you place so much emphasis on these?

Nobody seriously cares about music award shows.

Oh my God, Stereolab are not in the Rock n Roll hall of fame or got a grammy for inventing post rock. How dare they never get the credit they deserve.

You're right awards are not everything.

I did also mention critics so I was not just placing emphasis on award shows specifically.

I have never seen a documentary or read a commentary in a music magazine that acknowledges the impact those rappers have had on Hip Hop.

I can remember those artists getting tons of press in the early - mid 90s and that wasn't the Hip Hop press that was in the Indie press.

As for them not being mentioned now, well that's up to the artists that are around now to do.

NWA has received two lifetime achievement awards in the industry. You're not off base on Guru though, but thats the way Gangstarr wanted it, to be underground for life.

You're right.

I just think Ice Cube deserves more credit as a separate act.

It seems like Dr. Dre for instance gets more acknowledgement in general than Ice Cube as separate acts. I think he can get more acknowledgement as a songwriter outside of NWA. He has written for other rappers outside of NWA as a group as well as himself. I think he is a great writer.

I guess you are right about Gangstarr. I actually have heard rappers cite his importance to hip hop but the industry itself doesn't as much

Just because YOU have never seen them receive accolades and tributes doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Hip Hop Honors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go ahead and look through each year.

Like I said awards are not the ONLY determining factor of this. Just like the number of Grammy's does not reflect whether or not an artist is good or bad.

You said specifically that they weren't recognised and paid tribute to and now that I showed you they have. You are all "lol award shows don't matter".

Whatever.

I feel like im just repeating what DJ said but all it takes is a quick Google search with the words "Hip-Hop pioneers" and you will get tons of RECENT articles about some of the artists you mentioned. There is also tons of hip-hop/rap documentaries that credit those artists.

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Ice Cube. He is easily one of the most recognized pioneers of gangsta rap ASIDE from NWA.

I said awards are not the ONLY determining factor. Being recognized and being paid tribute to does not only have to be in a form of an award.

I often see rappers like Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog getting more credit that Ice Cube from that era and I find him to be more important than them.

More credit or they're just in the public eye more now?
I'm beginning to wonder if you know the difference.

Obviously Dr. Dre & Snoop Dog have a higher profile than Ice Cube in 2014. Dr. Dre has a hugely successful brand and has produced loads of big selling artists in the past decade. He's not still getting attention now just because he used to be in NWA.
Snoop Dog has become a personality rather than an artist. He's become of the most recognisable people in the genre, even my mum who's in her 60s and has no interest in hip hop at all knows who Snoop Dogg is, but you try finding me someone who's bought any of the records he's released since the mid 90s.

As for Ice Cube he hasn't really done anything to appeal to anyone outside of the fan base he already has since the early 90s and has had a few minor movie roles, so obviously the others get more attention now.

Tons of people have pointed out to you where Ice Cube gets the credit he's due but for some reason you seem think that people who had their best days over 20 years ago should be in the public eye today. It doesn't work like that.

Dre invested his money well. He became a big-time producer, he has his own line of headphones.. What would you expect? Everyone who knows NWA, knows that Ice Cube was the brains behind it, and his solo work is generally considered to be the best of any member of NWA.

Cube is working on a new album and just was in a movie that raked up at the box office. He is in the public eye more nowadays.

More credit.




I know the difference

This has nothing to do with being in the public eye.

You make it seem like Snoop Dog and Dr. Dre are burning up the charts and are relevant and they are not. You make it seem like they are all over magazines, tv shows etc and they are not. Just because they are little bit more in the public eye than Ice cube does not mean they deserve more credit than him.


It doesnt matter if he has not done anything to appeal outside his fanbase. He deserves more credit for what he did for hip hop period.


I never opened a Rolling Stones magazine and have read a commentary where they talk about the influence Ice Cube has had on Hip Hop. I have never saw a documentary about Hip Hop where Ice Cube is cited for what he did.


Janelle Monae won a break through award recently but that award does not change that she is still tremendously underrated overall within the industry.


Ice Cube deserves more credit than what he gets.

I think you are actually the one that does not know the difference. This has nothing to do with being in the public eye. The music industry overall does not like to acknowledge the past or past artists that have contributed to the industry.

I think it is important to acknowledge artists that have pioneered or impacted a genre so the younger generation can be exposed to those artists that paved the way.

A young kid who loves hip hop would probably think Jay Z has contributed more to Hip Hop than Ice Cube simply because the industry and media says so. They say he is the best, and has done this and that but he hasn't pioneered what Krs One did or has the same impact in my opinion. I just think it is important for people especially youth to be informed accurately.

But do people from the ages of 13-25 know that?

He is in the public eye and has successful movies

He is a good actor (I actually think he is underrated as an actor too)

The word on the street is he is currently working on the official NWA movie.

Really because you seen to keep flip flopping from one to the other when it suits you.



I said nothing of the sort.
I was responding to you saying
What I said was they get more attention because they're more higher profile. That doesn't mean they're getting more credit though. They're just more talked about. That doesn't necessarily mean they're talked about because of their music.

Totally missing the point here. If you want to see mainstream media outlets give credit to something then those artists have break into that mainstream market and stay there, something Ice Cube hasn't really done since the early / mid 90s. His albums still sell well but I would guess most of those sales come from people who already own other albums by him.
People have already shown you him getting credit in the Hip Hop community, if he gets less in the mainstream then that's to be expected given his heyday was over 20 years ago, and it'll stay like that until he makes an album with crossover appeal & millions sales to match.

Don't buy Rolling Stone then.
I don't buy the NME and expect to read how great Thin Lizzy were 30 years ago.

Totally irrelevant, you can't compare someone who's only been around a few years to someone who's been around nearly 3 decades.


From who?


The music industry will promote anything that makes sales, those are usually the ones that garner the most attention in the media, so I would say being in the public eye is very important.

That's the fans job & the musicians that follow, not the media's job.

And had that same kid been around in 1989 do you think he would listen to NWA or something from the mid 60s?
When you discover music for the first time it's the current artists you discover first, the old ones you discover later.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Djchameleon is doin a goid job subtely flirtin I think any master pick up artist would be proud

Man **** Ice Cube that guy is making kids movies right now. Most underrated mainstream rapper of all time; Ludacris. PEOPLE STILL DONT KNOW ABOUT CRIS DA MENACE IN ****IN 2014 MAN IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?

Urban thanks for making this into a thread! I am will be back to respond to your posts

What do you think I think it means?

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. There are artists that are not overexposed that get awards and acknowledged all the time.

You brought up the exposure and spotlight argument, I didn't.

Regardless if Ice Cube is in the spotlight or not he deserves props for what he has done for hip hop.







Yea that is very true but Snoop Dog and Dr. Dre DO get acknowledged and credited WAY more than Ice Cube for what they have done for hip hop.

I have seen documentaries and read writes up where they are given their props. Ice Cube is no where to be found



I understand this and actually agree with what you are saying but I personally feel that an artist should not have to stay relevant in order to get acknowledged for what they have done for a genre.

It is not like Ice Cube came around in the 90s and just followed a bunch of established trends. He helped pioneer a genre and he definitely deserves more props for that than what he gets.

It would be nice to see MCs like him or Krs One get more props instead of rappers like Lil Wayne or Jay Z who I feel have done 0 for hip hop but thats my opinion. You always hear about 2pac and Biggie and never anyone else before them who paved the way for them.



It doesn't matter that his heyday was 20 years ago. He still could be acknowledged from time to time for pioneering a genre.


I know my opinion is not going to make the media give Ice Cube more praise LOL I am just simply expressing what I believe and I believe he is underrated as well as a number of MC's from his era.






I don't. I am just stating what I've read and seen. This isn't just for Rolling Stone but any type music magazine


I just used her as an example because some people are suggesting that if someone wins ONE award than that makes them not underrated and I disagree with that.



From the industry/hip hop community. They need to stop hyping up Jay Z and start talking about the real pioneers.



It is but that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

I disagree

The media has EVERYTHING to do with this.

The media is powerful, influential and manipulative.

Unfornately, alot of people do not want to see this happen.

Hip Hop is ran by people of the different persuasion now and those people control how Hip Hop is represented. Unfortunately, it is not represented in it's truest light and they rather skip over or erase some of its history.

I have a issue with that.


You're right but some of these new rappers get a tad bit to much credit for things they did not pioneer or start. I just think it is important for people to get their fair credit.

Walls and walls of talk.

We built this city
We built this city
We built this city
On walls of talk

^
Amen, preach!

walls of talk is better than nothing at all.


discussion on a music forum? no way! that's not allowed.

This is what I'm understanding.

Ice Cube needs documentaries.
He needs tributes.
Not living up to Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg makes him underrated.
Ice Cube should have a grammy but he doesn't need one.
He doesn't get enough credit even though we don't know what is meant by that.
He needs more props even though we don't know what is meant by that.
He needs documentaries.
We don't actually know what he should get.

You wrapped that up pretty well but forgot to add that "even when he does get mentioned in documentaries he doesn't get enough screen time in said documentary so he doesn't get enough props."

Cube is rated like he should be imo

You missed out 'He needs to be given credit in magazines I don't read'.

How do you know I don't read them?

You obviously don't read them

Just because I wouldn't buy it does not mean when I am at the grocery store or if Im at a library I don't read them


And Ive already said what he deserves more credit in which is pioneering gangsta rap, his influence and for his songwriting.

The dude's often considered to be the driving force of the band that put gangsta rap on the map.