Is Hip Hop Destroying American Youth?

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-16-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

i agree with this, blame the rappers who choose to rap about materialistic sh*t all the time instead of always blaming the record companies who put out their albums.

cause really they are just the mediator, if a rapper only knows how to rap using gangsta stories that's what he is gonna write about and if there is an audience for that kind of thing you bet record companies will expose him and make money out of him but it's the rapper who initially decides how he is gonna portray himself.

i don't think you can manufacture depth in an artist that's something that is up to the individual. for exmpl ppl luv Tupac and biggie but even them rapped about materialistic sh*t and talked about drug dealing and murdering ppl BUT they also made tracks that spoke about problems in society and within their very own hip hop culture and it was THEM who decided to show that kind of depth not their record company.

I think they both collectively are to blame. However, the real culprit are the record labels because they make the judgement call at the end of the day. Its just sad that the rappers nowadays don't have the balls to speak out against being portrayed a certain way. It appears the rappers just care about money versus how they are depicted even if they are depicted in a racial stereotypical way.

You can manufacture depth in an artist if you give certain rules and guidelines on how they should express themselves. That forces artists to inhibit their artistic freedom. Now there are some that don't care about being mainstream but even for the rappers that do care about popularity they still like you said, play a role in the decline of the culture.

DwnWthVwls · 08-16-2014, 08:54 PM

Hip hop culture

I'm not getting involved in all this besides the one thing I am about to comment on.

No one is really hiphop anymore by the 4 elements definition.

Graffiti and breakdancing are not part of the scene anymore. Graf is now a popular street art or affiliated with gang turf. Breakdancing has basically become poppin and lockin, among other styles. Even beatboxing (the "5th element") has taken on it's own identity.

The distinction between HipHop and Rap is only made by underground artists and fans like me as a way to separate certain kind of rap from mainstream. I stopped trying to make that distinction about 8 years ago.

The only artist I can think of who is even remotely close to being 4element hiphop is Tame1.

djchameleon · 08-16-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

No I know what Hip Hop is.

Your view of what Hip Hop is, is confined to a certain period of time and that's it.

Anything created outside of that time period isn't considered hip hop in your view.

That's what I disagree with.

Sparky · 08-16-2014, 10:06 PM

what is this modern genre that i like that isn't hip hop?

sizzurpmusac

djchameleon · 08-16-2014, 10:12 PM

It is called corporate rap music. Didn't you get the memo.

DwnWthVwls · 08-16-2014, 10:18 PM

Rap or HipPop.. duh!

Songs that discuss the topic at hand. Hope you enjoy.

Spoiler for Enjoy!:

Sparky · 08-16-2014, 10:27 PM

TO:Members of Musicbanter

From: Evil Hip Hop Music Executives

Date: September 17, 1989

Subject: "Hip Hop" post 1989 now to be immediately known as "corporate rap music"

Data analysis has shown non-corporate rap music, known as "hip hop" may inspire civil unrest, postulations of averting systematic barriers and a egregious fascination with wearing over-sized analog clocks.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-16-2014, 11:36 PM

Nice read. I agree with mostly everything.

I only skimmed the first three pages of this conversation. So don't go jumping down my throat if what I'm about to say has already been covered. Even if it has, I will cover it again with my own view on it.

Hip-hop music being produced by a lot of the artists that populate the genre today, a lot of them are ridiculous and couldn't write a good song if it was the one thing that could save them from getting their fingers cut off for the garbage they put out and pass off as 'good'. I'm tired of that and even more tired of the clueless people that support it with their bad taste. When I listen to Hip-hop, which is extremely seldom. I don't want to hear about how fine some woman's ass was at the local Subway restaurant or how nice their titties were, or about the money they've made, how nice their cars are, their ****ing stupid gold platted teeth that for some reason they think is so cool, about the size of their dick, who they shot last week, what fellow Rap artist they have a beef with, how many women the screwed the prior night, how much blow they snorted, the many mansions they own, how tough they are, how many times they've been shot...I mean, really. That **** is consider the good Hip-hop music today? Give me a break!

I want the stuff talked about in the OP of this thread, and what a lot of you have covered as the good Hip-hop music from back in the day, or the good stuff hard to come by this day in age because it seems like all these so called "Hip-hop artists' want to talk about in their 'music' these days is what I mentioned above; materialistic bull****. I want that Hip-hop music with thought provoking lyrical content, Hip-hop music from people that write about worldly struggles we all can relate to. Stuff like that. I'm not the only one that is tired of just how bad a lot of music in general is these days, and it's the people supporting it that are keeping the vain **** on the top of the charts.

Every true talent in music, whether a band or solo artists. They need to unite and do whatever they can to weed out for good, all the fake asshats that have nothing to contribute other than the garbage they produce.

So anyway. I strayed for the actual point of the thread, sorry about that. Needed to rant.

Hip Hop is not destroying American Youth. That's just ridiculous if anyone thinks that it is.

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-16-2014, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Your view of what Hip Hop is, is confined to a certain period of time and that's it.

Anything created outside of that time period isn't considered hip hop in your view.

That's what I disagree with.

You are lost with the point of this whole discussion.

I have never confined Hip Hop to one particular period.

I just simply focused on why Hip Hop was originally created.

And think its sad white people i.e. Corporate America water down the purpose of what Hip Hop was originally created for in the mainstream.

You can call me narrow minded or think what you want but Lil Wayne, Jay Z, Nikki, Drake and so forth is NOT Hip Hop, period.

I never said Hip Hop doesn't exist anymore I just said in the MAINSTREAM

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-16-2014, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

You can call me narrow minded or think what you want but Lil Wayne, Jay Z, Nikki, Drake and so forth is NOT Hip Hop, period.

%1000 correct with that statement. And dude. For me, could you not say white people when you're trying to make a point about how we perceive hip hop, what actual hip hop is? Pretty please?

Haha, anyway man. Yeah. It's ridiculous what people in general think is actual hip hop music, or what are the good artists that populate the genre. Where I work. All I hear about his how awesome 50 Cent is, how talented Jay Z is (he is actually a better writer than some, but that still doesn't say much about him...) And there are people that drive through the parking lot blaring garbage from Lil' Wayne all the time. It pisses me off. I don't even consider myself a fan of hip hop or rap in general. But I still know what the good **** is when I do listen to it!

08-16-2014, 11:36 PM	#38 (permalink)
CoNtrivedNiHilism Because I Am, I Can! Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,128	Nice read. I agree with mostly everything. I only skimmed the first three pages of this conversation. So don't go jumping down my throat if what I'm about to say has already been covered. Even if it has, I will cover it again with my own view on it. Hip-hop music being produced by a lot of the artists that populate the genre today, a lot of them are ridiculous and couldn't write a good song if it was the one thing that could save them from getting their fingers cut off for the garbage they put out and pass off as 'good'. I'm tired of that and even more tired of the clueless people that support it with their bad taste. When I listen to Hip-hop, which is extremely seldom. I don't want to hear about how fine some woman's ass was at the local Subway restaurant or how nice their titties were, or about the money they've made, how nice their cars are, their **ing stupid gold platted teeth that for some reason they think is so cool, about the size of their dick, who they shot last week, what fellow Rap artist they have a beef with, how many women the screwed the prior night, how much blow they snorted, the many mansions they own, how tough they are, how many times they've been shot...I mean, really. That is consider the good Hip-hop music today? Give me a break! I want the stuff talked about in the OP of this thread, and what a lot of you have covered as the good Hip-hop music from back in the day, or the good stuff hard to come by this day in age because it seems like all these so called "Hip-hop artists' want to talk about in their 'music' these days is what I mentioned above; materialistic bull. I want that Hip-hop music with thought provoking lyrical content, Hip-hop music from people that write about worldly struggles we all can relate to. Stuff like that. I'm not the only one that is tired of just how bad a lot of music in general is these days, and it's the people supporting it that are keeping the vain ** on the top of the charts. Every true talent in music, whether a band or solo artists. They need to unite and do whatever they can to weed out for good, all the fake asshats that have nothing to contribute other than the garbage they produce. So anyway. I strayed for the actual point of the thread, sorry about that. Needed to rant. Hip Hop is not destroying American Youth. That's just ridiculous if anyone thinks that it is. Last edited by CoNtrivedNiHilism; 08-16-2014 at 11:42 PM.

08-16-2014, 10:06 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	what is this modern genre that i like that isn't hip hop? sizzurpmusac

08-16-2014, 10:27 PM	#37 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	TO:Members of Musicbanter From: Evil Hip Hop Music Executives Date: September 17, 1989 Subject: "Hip Hop" post 1989 now to be immediately known as "corporate rap music" Data analysis has shown non-corporate rap music, known as "hip hop" may inspire civil unrest, postulations of averting systematic barriers and a egregious fascination with wearing over-sized analog clocks.