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Old 02-07-2012, 03:11 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Two things:

1) the second half of the song was interesting, but the first half was godawful. According to my math, this means the song was - at best - mediocre.

2)I've nothing against high production values in and of themselves, but I certainly don't view it as an asset of such value that it will elevate a **** band to a quality one.
I can agree with #2 for sure. Production alone should not be the difference-maker between a good band and a bad band.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:22 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I'm not particularly familiar with Meshuggah, mostly because they've got the same emotionless, robotic approach to metal as so many modern bands and I just don't really care to listen to them. Sure, the songs may be heavy and brutal, but they've got no heart. Again for other reasons than just production, but the production is just ****ing boring.
And I suppose all those power metal bands do?

Anyway, dirty production/fuzz can be just as boring. "Funeralopolis" would sound horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible if it had clean production. But then again, fuzzy production with something like Blackwater Park would detract from the sound. The cleanness of the production definitely isn't sanitized or fake and doesn't make the sound of the BP any less aggressive. Plus, as especially seen with black metal, the lo-fi production can sound just as intentional and fake (and sometimes unnecessary) as good production.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:42 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Good idea.



Now that's fuzz.
Thats so funny, I was actually considering posting that exact video as the posterboy for fuzzed out doom. Goes to show you how its true.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:50 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Plus, as especially seen with black metal, the lo-fi production can sound just as intentional and fake (and sometimes unnecessary) as good production.
Naturally. The most obvious example of this is Ulver's Nattens Madrigal, as another said better than I can: For intensity of appearance as raw black metal, Ulver's lead player used a Bathory-style cheap digital distortion and small amplifier overdriven into a high mix, washing all other sound to behind it. Difference is, Ulver did it in the studio, where Bathory did it in his basement. link...

Obviously, Darkthrone are guilty of this as well, wherein they purposefully went for ****ty sound with "A Blaze in the Northern Sky". That this would be copied by other well financed bands should be obvious to all familiar with the genre.

I don't understand this trend, but there are certainly parralels in everyday life; poor kids dress up, rich kids dress down.
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I'm not particularly familiar with Meshuggah, mostly because they've got the same emotionless, robotic approach to metal as so many modern bands and I just don't really care to listen to them. Sure, the songs may be heavy and brutal, but they've got no heart. Again for other reasons than just production, but the production is just ****ing boring.

No you really can't. Old school Lamb of God rules. It's raw and ****ed up as ****. But couldn't care less about them after New American Gospel.
I find the best quality about Meshuggah's sound is their coldness. To me, they wouldn't be the same if every band member was po-faced, trying to force emotion and heart into every note. For the style they play, the cold, calculated nature of the production fits the music perfectly.

Did you listen to As the Palaces Burn? I remember that album being as gritty as New American Gospel or maybe that's just because my rip is only 192kbps lol
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1) the second half of the song was interesting, but the first half was godawful. According to my math, this means the song was - at best - mediocre.

2)I've nothing against high production values in and of themselves, but I certainly don't view it as an asset of such value that it will elevate a **** band to a quality one.
What about the first half was godawful to you? And what, in your opinion, is an example of high production value used effectively?
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IMHO, production means nothing to me

if the band is good, it's good

no amount of less or more production will change that
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IMHO, production means nothing to me

if the band is good, it's good

no amount of less or more production will change that
I understand what you're getting at, but it does make at least some difference. Like listening to Hammerfall with Bathory production just wouldn't work in my estimation.
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What about the first half was godawful to you? And what, in your opinion, is an example of high production value used effectively?
My issue was with the song writing; the start/stop dynamic, as well as the guitar squealing (pinch harmonics?), they seemingly try to compensate for the "br00tal" nature after 1:30 by throwing in some melody, then they chug along, before going for some ambient stuff. Individual parts aside, the problems I find with this are the same I find for all genre-mash ups, I find it boring, in bad taste, random.... quality seems to have been sacrificed in favor of novelty.

An example of high production value down right would the album "King of All Kings" by Hate Eternal.
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playing "No Time To Bleed" through my DVD player, as my PC's player seems to be having some problems

it's a less processed sound, and actually sounds better, so this may lend credence to the Bat-mite's argument
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