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Old 02-08-2012, 08:13 AM   #61 (permalink)
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My issue was with the song writing; the start/stop dynamic, as well as the guitar squealing (pinch harmonics?), they seemingly try to compensate for the "br00tal" nature after 1:30 by throwing in some melody, then they chug along, before going for some ambient stuff. Individual parts aside, the problems I find with this are the same I find for all genre-mash ups, I find it boring, in bad taste, random.... quality seems to have been sacrificed in favor of novelty.

An example of high production value down right would the album "King of All Kings" by Hate Eternal.
The genre-mashing is what I liked most about it, different strokes I suppose.

I do like me some Hate Eternal, really enjoyed Phoenix Amongst the Ashes. Their focus on a-melodicism and dissonance throughout the whole album I found to be really appealing.
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:06 AM   #62 (permalink)
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And I suppose all those power metal bands do?
Indeed they do. You think bands like Blind Guardian, Manowar, and Hammerfall are faking their love of fantasy and metal? And I think sometimes power metal bands do have too clean a production job, but since they're not really trying to sell aggression like a Killswitch Engage or a Meshuggah, it doesn't really ruin the music in their case.

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Anyway, dirty production/fuzz can be just as boring. "Funeralopolis" would sound horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible if it had clean production.
Again, I'm not saying everything has to be fuzzed out or lo-fi. I'm saying that many modern bands go too far and lose any sense of emotion. Like I was saying about Anthrax. They most certainly do not have a fuzzed out, lo-fi sound, but they do have a certain grittiness to their sound that sells the aggression in a way that say, Trivium will never have, even if they are more "extreme".

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But then again, fuzzy production with something like Blackwater Park would detract from the sound. The cleanness of the production definitely isn't sanitized or fake and doesn't make the sound of the BP any less aggressive.
I haven't listened to enough Opeth to make a judgement on them. They kinda bore me TBH.

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I find the best quality about Meshuggah's sound is their coldness. To me, they wouldn't be the same if every band member was po-faced, trying to force emotion and heart into every note. For the style they play, the cold, calculated nature of the production fits the music perfectly.
To each their own. But it's not about being po-faced, it's about making an emotional connection with the listener. I get that emotional connection from Anthrax, even if they can be silly. Meshuggah, I get nothing from. I might at well be listening to a computer put out metal. This kind of metal is supposed to be aggressive. It's supposed to connect with your own sense of anger. If that doesn't happen all you have is impotent noise.

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Did you listen to As the Palaces Burn? I remember that album being as gritty as New American Gospel or maybe that's just because my rip is only 192kbps lol
Many times. It's certainly not awful in the way that Sacrament is just plain awful. I mean I don't hate it, it just doesn't really excite me anymore like it did a few years ago. It's got some excellent riffs, and some good songs. But the production has no bite. The guitars have groove, but not much else (did I already say that earlier?). It's not the same emotionlessness I was talking about earlier, but's to me it's that same idea of metal being made for the Hot Topic crowd that doesn't get metal in the first place, and probably doesn't even notice a band's production.

Of course I also don't like the vocals. Randy Blythe went from sounding uncompromising and tortured, to sounding like a corn balled tough guy trying to sound vaguely "extremish". And I'm also just not a big groove metal fan. But that doesn't really have anything to do with the production.
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:01 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Indeed they do. You think bands like Blind Guardian, Manowar, and Hammerfall are faking their love of fantasy and metal? And I think sometimes power metal bands do have too clean a production job, but since they're not really trying to sell aggression like a Killswitch Engage or a Meshuggah, it doesn't really ruin the music in their case.
I guess we have a different view on what aggression is, because KSE's debut and Meshuggah's entire discography put forth a legitimate aggression. There is really no way to tell if something is "heartfelt" or not. Anthrax's aggression sounds just as calculated as any other metal band to me. Sometimes the aggression in lo-fi albums comes across as even more forced to me. People seem to get the "They may not have spent a lot of money, but boy are they angry" attitude (thinking this raises the bar for the band somehow) when the "They may have spent a lot of money, but boy are they angry" attitude is just as plausible. Not saying that's the way you think or anything, it's just something I've noticed in general.
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:21 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Meshuggah, I get nothing from. I might at well be listening to a computer put out metal. This kind of metal is supposed to be aggressive. It's supposed to connect with your own sense of anger. If that doesn't happen all you have is impotent noise.
I like Meshuggah a lot but I've never found them particularly angry. I don't even think that's what they're going for. Aggressive? Yes, but in the way a force of nature is aggressive.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:37 AM   #65 (permalink)
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I guess we have a different view on what aggression is, because KSE's debut and Meshuggah's entire discography put forth a legitimate aggression.
I guess we do. Looks like this discussion is starting to spin around in circles. It was a good run.
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the angriest thing I've ever heard is from this Canto-punk-rap group Lazy Motherfuckers called "The Last Surviving Member of a Soon to be Dead Family" (it's actually a lot ruder in Cantonese and you can be killed for using it in Hong Kong to the wrong people)

but it's also funny aggression, I guess
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If you like Suicide Silence, you should check out Chelsea Grin.
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