David Gilmour. I love Hendrix as well, and he did have more of an impact, but I personally prefer Gilmour.

Looks like somebody needs to learn about the theme of the actual poll.

Maybe. I saw "Best Guitarist" and voted.

EDIT: Ah, I see. Technical skill. Joe Satriani then.

i voted other, John Mclaughlin and Omar Rodriguez-Lopez take the cake for me. Geniuses in the comp and technicality dept. So yeah.

^ I may have now just fallen in love

Mclaughlin sure, but i wouldnt say Omar is up there with the elite technical players just yet, hes still a rookie, it will be a while before we will see what the guy can really do.

I say Andre Olbrich. He is amazing...his style is so good...

Cool. A new metalhead. Welcome to MB :)

Yeah.....and hes H-core :rofl:

^ What exactly does hardcore mean, other than tough?

^ I guess intense would explain it best.

This brilliant thread is gonna be like an eternal sticky, eh?

Whatever, your options still could have been better, then maybe your poll could have been at least almost valid, thats what you wanted isnt it?...Valid answers for a valid poll?

I don't feel qualified to vote, but Sonny Landreth is my personal favorite. Richard Thompson is up there, too, on my list.

Will you stop your personal vendetta against me please? For the tenth time, I had a huge list of guitarists (which I posted in this thread and you would like because many are your picks) in a word processor, and I randomly selected 50 of them which is the max for this forum.

Next time you should try to decide who deserves to be on the poll and who dosent, Kurt Cobain and no Shawn Lane is just ridiculous.

Thanks for the tip oh-wise-one, but no matter who I picked of course there were gonna be disagreement. Some people picked Cobain, so go figure.

Either they were joking or they are just stupid.


Everyone knows Kurt Cobain isnt remotely close to the ability of many of those players, even Kurt Cobain knew it.

I didn't realise any one who had an opposing opinion to you was stupid...

Its not my opinion that Cobain was a technicaly weak guitarist, its a cold hard fact...Technical skill can and should be measured objectively and based on facts and every aspect of technical skill, im pretty damn sure no one voted for Cobain seriously thinking he is the most technicaly skilled guitarist, more likely it was the following.

1. They havent heard of the other players, so they vote Cobain.
2. They dont understand the concept of technical skill and instead they chose to go by their favorite.
3. They voted for Cobain as a joke.

You may like someones riffs, but it dosent make them skilled, if you know just 3 chords you can make a whole variety of riffs based on just those chords alone, Cobain just happened to have a great ear for melody and he wrote some of the greatest riffs of all time, but his riffs are great because of their ridiculous catchyness, not because of their complexity or dificulty, where technical skill is actualy a factor, i can make a catchy riff (though not as good as Cobains riffs) but does that mean i have more technical skill than Yngwie Malmsteen?...No it dosent.

I have heard Cobains entire discography, he could usualy play clean and not screw up, but that is primarly because pretty much everything he plays is simple, the most complex riff he has ever done is Mr. Moustache, and thats nothing a high school kid cant figure out in a couple of weeks.

Technical skill in terms of guitar playing should be judged on these factors.

- Overall experience and knowledge of the guitar.

- Ability to both compose and perform complex riffs, solos and fills.

- Ability to play different genres and styles of guitar.

- Ability to play in various time signatures and scales.

- Ability to play cleanly and without missing or messing up notes.

- Ability to master a variety of different techniques, such as finger picking, alternate picking, hybrid picking, sweep picking, speed, legato, tapping, bending, tremollo, vibrato, arpeggio, soloing, riffing, phrasing, timing and improv ability.

You wasted your time. You forgot about composition. Skill wasn't the only factor.

Hmm....

What I mean is, the people who voted for Cobain don't agree with you on what skill is obviously. They probably don't agree with "You may like someones riffs, but it dosent make them skilled." And btw you contradicted yourself.

I could fart and someone would find it funny, it dosent make me a talented comedian.

How did i contradict myself?

And no, thats not my opinion, those are the factors of skill, anyone who knows theory knows that, and if you want to bring in your own theory, then by all means feel free to share your wisdom.

You just don't get what I'm saying. I agree with you that you can measure technical skill, but when it comes to things like composition, you just can't measure it and that's what the poll was also about, not just about technical skill. Of course Cobain is a stupid choice if it was just that, but like you said, it was his killer riffs that made him good or "skilled," as you put it, in the eyes of some.

Contradiction is as follows:

Then later:

F*ck it, i give up trying to explain it to you.

And thats exactly why they voted for Cobain instead of Vai or the likes of. They just don't get it.

ROFL. In other words I win yet another argument. lol

If that is how you want to see it. It would be by default because you are being a closed-minded ignorant fool by saying the same things over and over again. Your past 100 posts have been in this thread, the drummer thread, the DT thread which is no more, and the "Emo Class" thread. I have yet to see you post about a new band you like or say something that isn't fabracated to go against the majority. If you are here to troll, then good job you are a pretty good one, but if not you are one sad member of society. Go listen to DT and tell people that they are wrong for liking someone based on the fact that they just like them. I like Green Day are you going to flame at me because they aren't technically skilled, or that they don't write metaphoric songs? Or how about that they aren't insanily fast?

Have fun struggling in a world of compromises.

No, i've just learned that what im basicly doing is like trying to teach a caveman how to recite Shakespere, its just a waste of time.

lol!!! Wow, you think you're like the smartest man in the world when it comes to music rofl. And for a 19 year old, that's pretty hilarious if I do say so myself.
It's also funny how you think I don't know what you're trying to say, hahaha. Oh wow, so let me get this straight; you're saying that composition is a part of technical skill! omggg how the hell did I guess that? I must be a genius (which I am). You're just too dumb to realise the basis of what I've been arguing with you, and I'm obviously on the winning side since I'm the one that started the poll! lol times 5!

So okay, I'll explain my side for you, being the law grad that I am:

1) The first and most important point is: I made the poll so I'm the one that consequently decides what the theme is about,

2) I was initially going to make it in terms of technical skill alone but I realised that the misinformed wouldn't actually know who (or how) to vote, which is silly in itself, so there isn't really a need for such poll, and indeed one of this magnitude,

3) So what I decided to do was make it in terms of technical/[SLASH]composition, with the slash meaning OR, or a combination of the two. So this means that someone could vote whom they thought was the best technical guitarist (and decide that by technical skill alone or composition, which is what you've pointed out so obviously to me) OR, they could choose to vote for a guitarist that they just happen to appreciate for whatever reason, and that reason can be dumbed down to “composition,”

4) Now, there of course is a major flaw with this poll and indeed of all polls. The flaw being that the maker of the poll isn't assured that the people voting will share similar (or a relatively high) knowledge about the theme of the poll. Which means, in terms of this example, that obviously not everyone is going to have heard every single CD and demonstration video of every guitarist on there. And even if this was the case, who's to say if they really know what's technically skilled or not? Which would mean that you would have to be perhaps a professional guitarist to vote properly if you were going to vote purely on skill and come to an appropriate conclusion. But of course, I posted this poll on a site which features people of a wide range of ages and knowledge, which means that if someone liked a guitarist just because they play for their favourite band (or for whatever reason), that's fine. And it's something that we can't measure, and if we could there wouldn't be a point for a poll,

5) The main conjecture is that you were saying composition is a skill that can be measured objectively and thus be contributed to skill. I actually agree with this (and had many long arguments about it), but this is not what I was arguing against here. I was arguing about the theme of the poll, and like I said, I made the damn poll, so of course I'm right. I created this so called argument because of your extreme arrogance which seems to exponentially climb. I merely wanted to point out that thinking Cobain was skilled for whatever reason is fine, and that it seems like you think you get to decide who likes what and like you know exactly who the BEST EVER MUISICANS WITH A 100% CERTAINTY are. I gave up caring about that whole crap long ago when I realised music is a lot more about who's the best, it all comes down to recognition, which all comes down to feeling...And I learnt that when I was about seven...

Yeah since you replied to me joking, I'm gonna consider this to be a joke too. But I'll reply to this part:

lol. no, 'cause that's boo boo's job.

Whats your problem?

I like Green Day, i own Dookiie and Warning...And when have i ever said a band sucked because they didnt have a lot of technical skill?

Yeah, you seem to hate Cobain from what I gather. And you hate DT and you say they have no skill! lol

Just because i said he was lacking in the technical skill department?...Whats your freaking problem?...Did i ever call Cobain a bad songwriter?...Did i ever say that his guitar playing overall sucked?...Did i ever said Nirvana as a band were crap?...No i didnt, because im one of the biggest Nirvana fanboys you will ever meet, hell im picked on DDD all the time for always being the first to defend the band from haters, even defending Cobain as a guitarist and a vocalist.

I am NOT biased against bands because they lack a lot of technical skill, hell AC/DC, The Ramones, The New York Dolls, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, U2, The Police, REM, The Replacements, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, Black Flag, MC5 and The Stooges are among my favorite bands...Not to mention Nirvana are one of my top 10 bands of all time, and everytime someone bashs them im always the first one to lay out some ass whooping.

This is your problem, you jump to conclusions, and because i decided not to bother trying to explain everything to you in detail about technical skill you won the arguement?... If we go too far into these personal flame wars, both of us will get banned, something you need to think about.

lol. I remember asking that to you, we've switched roles, yay!

haw-haw you like ****. lol

And haw-haw you take stupid stuff I say seriously.

Top 5 guitarists of all genres would include Chet Atkins, Django Reinhardt, Andrés Segovia and Hendrix

That's only 4. :confused:

Fixed

Explain