The Official Rage Against The Machine thread (bootlegs, funk, rock)

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by mr dave

while i obviously hurt your feelings by crapping on RATM and claiming they made their music for a specific adolescent demographic. i really do think they're a crap band (is having a view that differs from yours really trolling?).

No but saying crap about a band on their own thread and insulting anyone that disagrees with you is.

i also really think tom morello is a crap guitar player. take away his solos and what do you have? a pissed off version of the 80s era red hot chili peppers?

The solo in Settle for Nothing, listen to it and tell me that.

a funked up sabbath riff? his work with audioslave was equally boring and his solos usually sound forced and out of place within the context of the song. he said it himself in interviews that he should probably just have been playing a synth but it didn't look as cool.

Oh I geert it, hez a bad geetarist cuz he dur makes sounds dat aint supposered to com out of a geetar, ughhhh

admittedly the work he's accomplished with his effects is impressive but does it really make him a good guitarist? or just an innovative sound manipulator? could he really distinguish himself if you just gave him an acoustic guitar and said 'GO!' ?

Funny, thats what I thought a good guitarist was. Not just some muso who wanks his f*cking ass off.

as for being contrived their message always seemed too forced to me. it was like theused2Lguy's threads about 'educating' people about foxnews. their music always struck me as 'don't do what they want you to do, do what i'm telling you to do', which does strike me as contrived. screaming about disney while being signed to sony seemed a little off to me.

I like them more for the music and the energy of their performances and the conviction of La Rochas vocals, I respect their political views but I don't always agree with them, particularly their leanings toward Marxism.

And I think Morello gave a pretty reasonable justification for them being signed to sony. I mean if you want people to hear your message then why not use the biggest platform you can find?

And even if its about money I don't really care, everyone wants money.

[mr dave]

Originally Posted by boo boo

The solo in Settle for Nothing, listen to it and tell me that.

Oh I geert it, hez a bad geetarist cuz he dur makes sounds dat aint supposered to com out of a geetar, ughhhh

Funny, thats what I thought a good guitarist was. Not just some muso who wanks his f*cking ass off.

wow you're awesome.

i say take away his solos (the only unique element to his style) and you tell me to check out a solo.

i say his solos are out of place in his songs (as in there's a dedicated gap in the flow of the song for bzzt reee bzzzt ree brrrrpppp reee dooooop x4) and you resort to bad spelling. his solo for guitar hero 3 was pretty cool it worked in that context. on the other hand, changing a groove midway through a song for no other reason than forcing one of his solos into a generic radio rock tune IS cheesy.

i imply that if you take away his effect pedals and give him an acoustic that he ceases to be unique and you infer that it's the making of a great guitarist. i don't see how being reliant on something other than a guitar makes someone a great guitarist.

yeah you definitely told me...

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by mr dave

wow you're awesome.

i say take away his solos (the only unique element to his style) and you tell me to check out a solo.

I'm saying if you've heard that solo and still think hes a bad guitarist then theres something wrong with you.

i say his solos are out of place in his songs (as in there's a dedicated gap in the flow of the song for bzzt reee bzzzt ree brrrrpppp reee dooooop x4) and you resort to bad spelling. his solo for guitar hero 3 was pretty cool it worked in that context. on the other hand, changing a groove midway through a song for no other reason than forcing one of his solos into a generic radio rock tune IS cheesy.

You certainly need to listen to more RATM, its like you've only heard their singles. I wouldn't call them all radio friendly. Especially on Battle of Los Angeles, where I think the riffs and solos sync up with the songs much better.

Either way your reasoning is bad. OH NOES THEY JUST DID A DRASTIC TIME CHANGE THIS IS BAD.

Obviously not a prog fan.

i imply that if you take away his effect pedals and give him an acoustic that he ceases to be unique and you infer that it's the making of a great guitarist.

Have you ever heard Hendrix play an acoustic? I sure as f*ck haven't.

And Hendrix made a big use out the wammey bar and techniques that really only work on electric, so he probably wouldn't be as great on accoustic either. For the most part electric and accoustic guitar are two very different instruments with different purposes.

Besides, I'm assuming you didn't know this but Tom Morello actually has a folk music career under the stage name The Nightwatchman. His acoustic playing is actually pretty good.

i don't see how being reliant on something other than a guitar makes someone a great guitarist.

Hes not, if you actually knew anything about him you'd know he's actually pretty capable without the need of pedals, he uses them to enhance his style and add to the music. Apparrently that is a bad thing.

yeah you definitely told me...

I sure did.

^ Always wanted to use that one.

[Whatsitoosit]

Now I see where you were going with that... makes a lot of sense actually, anything I am into today chances are I got into it when I was a teenager. That's when a person is more open to new things anyway... which would probably explain why I just can't get into country music at the age of 29.

I think most Rage songs have a deeper intelligence then ordinary pop songs though, I still can't see it as contrived crap.

[boo boo]

I like some country. Johnny Cash and Hank Williams are awesome.

And I like some of Neil Young, The Grateful Dead and Wilcos country influenced stuff.

I can't stand all the crap that calls itself country nowadays however.

I like Bluegrass a lot though. And I'm a proud owner of a Banjo.

[Whatsitoosit]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I like some country. Johnny Cash and Hank Williams are awesome.

And I like some of Neil Young, The Grateful Dead and Wilcos country influenced stuff.

I can't stand all the crap that calls itself country nowadays however.

I like Bluegrass a lot though. And I'm a proud owner of a Banjo.

ya know I never put Johnny Cash in the Country category... I like me some Cash from time to time. I just never got into the whiny, drawn out story type country.

To get back on topic, when it comes to Rage, what grabs me before anything else is the simplicity of their music... a grooving beat, a catchy riff and the production is awesome. Zack's vocals just topped it off and gave them a very unique sound, this is the part of a band that can't be contrived... either you sound different or you sound the same, and Rage sounded different.

[Whatsitoosit]

I can respect that... I just enjoy listening to some of their tunes.

[mr dave]

Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

I can respect that... I just enjoy listening to some of their tunes.

by all means fill your boots. i like my fair amount of cheese every now and again too hehehe

[Piss Me Off]

Morrello's solo's just get boring after a while, innovative and technical yeah yeah, but he does it to death in every song.
No problem with the riffs though, they're great.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

His acoustic playing might be good but his folk playing skills are laughable judging by the 3 songs I heard him play live.

I specifically mean his guitar playing. I sure as hell wont defend his singing.