The Official Rage Against The Machine thread (lyrics, pop, fan)

[mr dave]

Originally Posted by boo boo

The solo in Settle for Nothing, listen to it and tell me that.

Oh I geert it, hez a bad geetarist cuz he dur makes sounds dat aint supposered to com out of a geetar, ughhhh

Funny, thats what I thought a good guitarist was. Not just some muso who wanks his f*cking ass off.

wow you're awesome.

i say take away his solos (the only unique element to his style) and you tell me to check out a solo.

i say his solos are out of place in his songs (as in there's a dedicated gap in the flow of the song for bzzt reee bzzzt ree brrrrpppp reee dooooop x4) and you resort to bad spelling. his solo for guitar hero 3 was pretty cool it worked in that context. on the other hand, changing a groove midway through a song for no other reason than forcing one of his solos into a generic radio rock tune IS cheesy.

i imply that if you take away his effect pedals and give him an acoustic that he ceases to be unique and you infer that it's the making of a great guitarist. i don't see how being reliant on something other than a guitar makes someone a great guitarist.

yeah you definitely told me...

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by mr dave

wow you're awesome.

i say take away his solos (the only unique element to his style) and you tell me to check out a solo.

I'm saying if you've heard that solo and still think hes a bad guitarist then theres something wrong with you.

i say his solos are out of place in his songs (as in there's a dedicated gap in the flow of the song for bzzt reee bzzzt ree brrrrpppp reee dooooop x4) and you resort to bad spelling. his solo for guitar hero 3 was pretty cool it worked in that context. on the other hand, changing a groove midway through a song for no other reason than forcing one of his solos into a generic radio rock tune IS cheesy.

You certainly need to listen to more RATM, its like you've only heard their singles. I wouldn't call them all radio friendly. Especially on Battle of Los Angeles, where I think the riffs and solos sync up with the songs much better.

Either way your reasoning is bad. OH NOES THEY JUST DID A DRASTIC TIME CHANGE THIS IS BAD.

Obviously not a prog fan.

i imply that if you take away his effect pedals and give him an acoustic that he ceases to be unique and you infer that it's the making of a great guitarist.

Have you ever heard Hendrix play an acoustic? I sure as f*ck haven't.

And Hendrix made a big use out the wammey bar and techniques that really only work on electric, so he probably wouldn't be as great on accoustic either. For the most part electric and accoustic guitar are two very different instruments with different purposes.

Besides, I'm assuming you didn't know this but Tom Morello actually has a folk music career under the stage name The Nightwatchman. His acoustic playing is actually pretty good.

i don't see how being reliant on something other than a guitar makes someone a great guitarist.

Hes not, if you actually knew anything about him you'd know he's actually pretty capable without the need of pedals, he uses them to enhance his style and add to the music. Apparrently that is a bad thing.

yeah you definitely told me...

I sure did.

^ Always wanted to use that one.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Have you ever heard Hendrix play an acoustic? I sure as f*ck haven't.

Plenty of bootlegs out there , I suggest the Acoustic Jams 2 disc set

Originally Posted by boo boo

Besides, I'm assuming you didn't know this but Tom Morello actually has a folk music career under the stage name The Nightwatchman. His acoustic playing is actually pretty good.

His acoustic playing might be good but his folk playing skills are laughable judging by the 3 songs I heard him play live.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

His acoustic playing might be good but his folk playing skills are laughable judging by the 3 songs I heard him play live.

I specifically mean his guitar playing. I sure as hell wont defend his singing.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Thanks for that, I honestly wasn't aware of him having any acoustic stuff. I've only heard his stuff from Montery Pop, Woodstock, Band of Gypsies and some other live rock stuff. I think I'll take Urbans advice about that disc set, if I can find it.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by mr dave

my bad. i didn't realize that 90% of music in existence was created in the last 50 years. i also didn't realize that the existence of said music was only measurable in sales...

while i obviously hurt your feelings by crapping on RATM and claiming they made their music for a specific adolescent demographic. i really do think they're a crap band (is having a view that differs from yours really trolling?).

i also really think tom morello is a crap guitar player. take away his solos and what do you have? a pissed off version of the 80s era red hot chili peppers? a funked up sabbath riff? his work with audioslave was equally boring and his solos usually sound forced and out of place within the context of the song. he said it himself in interviews that he should probably just have been playing a synth but it didn't look as cool.

admittedly the work he's accomplished with his effects is impressive but does it really make him a good guitarist? or just an innovative sound manipulator? could he really distinguish himself if you just gave him an acoustic guitar and said 'GO!' ?

as for being contrived their message always seemed too forced to me. it was like theused2Lguy's threads about 'educating' people about foxnews. their music always struck me as 'don't do what they want you to do, do what i'm telling you to do', which does strike me as contrived. screaming about disney while being signed to sony seemed a little off to me.

I think Tom Morello is an overrated guitarist, but he's still good IMO.

And the fact that a band greatly appeals to a particular demographic doesn't mean that they intended to make their music for that particular dmeographic.

I don't see how that kind of "do what I'm telling you to do" message makes them contrived... it just means they have strong opinions. I can see how it might be annoying though.

[boo boo]

Hell, every political speaker/protestor wants you to do what they tell you, no matter what "side" they are on.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Hell, every political speaker/protestor wants you to do what they tell you, no matter what "side" they are on.

Exactly - that's why I see no problem with it. I certainly don't think it makes them contrived. And that is also the very thing which alienates certain fans who like the musical component but really can't tolerate the message.

[Whatsitoosit]

boo boo... how many time have you listened to ANATO today?

As far as Morello depending on effects to get his point across, so what... that's what the music calls for. I don't wanna hear acoustic guitar in a Rage song, so his ability on an acoustic means nothing to me.

[boo boo]

Lyrics are not a make a break for me, if I like a bands lyrics (and in this case I do like RATMs lyrics but I wont defend it as being anything special) then thats great, that makes me like the band a little more.

But if the lyrics are bad and the music is still great then I could care less. I love Van Halen and Guns N Roses and I think thats all that needs to be said.

Though as a proggie I also love ELP. A band who has written lyrics such as "Can you believe, God makes you breathe.
Why did he lose six million Jews."