New music. Does it exite like it did back in the day? (hardcore, jazz)

~~under~~ · 01-20-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I agree with you to an extent, but how else do you define music besides (On a simplistic level) notes being played?

notes can be emotional. you can play notes very slowly and melodically to make it seem like its very sad.

you can play notes very fast and hardcore to make it seem like its anger.

a lot of the emotion in music not only comes from the vocals but the instruments.

onerepublic for example. for the song apologize, the starting instruments brought me into the song and with the vocals after, i began to feel more of the emotion in the song.

ProggyMan · 01-21-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by awriterslastresort

notes can be emotional. you can play notes very slowly and melodically to make it seem like its very sad.

you can play notes very fast and hardcore to make it seem like its anger.

a lot of the emotion in music not only comes from the vocals but the instruments.

onerepublic for example. for the song apologize, the starting instruments brought me into the song and with the vocals after, i began to feel more of the emotion in the song.

By simplistic level I meant that by saying notes I meant all technical aspects of music. How fast you play is a technical aspect. Anyone can make a song sound emotional in a particular way if they anything about music theory. As OneRepublic's producer apparently does.

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 05:24 PM

That's how we roll

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 05:45 PM

There's a difference between calling a single band bland and then calling one of the oldest genres ever bland and pathetic.

pheurton · 01-20-2008, 05:46 PM

That's how we roll

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 06:08 PM

No it's not even a slight difference, calling folk music bland/pathetic is dismissing a very big portion of music history. Calling Cynic bland is just calling some band bland.

riseagainstrocks · 01-20-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

No it's not even a slight difference, calling folk music bland/pathetic is dismissing a very big portion of music history. Calling Cynic bland is just calling some band bland.

Where did I ever call folk bland and pathetic? If I remember correctly I was specifically talking about people with acoustic guitars. Aren't you the one who pointed out that that isn't folk?

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I wasn't aware that people needed a degree in music to discuss it. If I was to go out & get one it wouldn't make me go out and become a fan of Cynic because that type of music does nothing for me. It might help me understand why YOU think they're good , but I already know why you think they're good because you've just said so below.

People do not need a degree in order to discuss music. I don't have one. However, I feel that without a knowledge of the methods used to create said music, appreciation other than that initial connection to the beauty and power of a piece is impossible.

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Originally Posted by pheurton

I wasn't calling jazz monotonous I was referring to cynic's bland metal fusion, from the video that was posted. I was brought up with chet baker, john coltrane, charles mingus and michael brecker to name a few. So don't play that card. Plus calling folk bland and pathetic cancels any credibility you have/had. Your ego transcends your own opinion.
**** it, the only thing that can save you and this cynic circlejerk now

Also the only reason I would stay in the lounge is to avoid straight edge ******* like you.

I realize that liking or disliking a certain band is entirely subjective. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you dislike something I do (in this specific case, Cynic), I won't be offended or angry. However when the reason you give is something as trite as "their bland metal fusion". Then I take issue.

and thanks for thinking that a) I'm straightedge and b) I'm an *******. It means a lot. Granted I'd probably think you had more credibility if you didn't create threads titled "the ***est reply wins".

I'd also like to amend this: "and just to clarify, when I use the term technical, I'm NOT talking about mile a minute sweeps. That Cynic video is a prime example. Odd chord shapes coupled with counterpoint vocal melody create a layered effect that appeals to me in the pure aesthetic sense as well as the mathematical one."

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Adam goes on a rampage one night and kills two hundred people. In the next town over, on that very same night, Dan kills a single human. Now, considering that Adam's massacre was on a much larger scale, would it be correct to say that Dan did not commit homicide? Obviously it wouldn't be. Sure, one could go on about how much "worse" Adam is for what he did, but ultimately, they're both murderers.

I don't see what's so bad about a person not being interested in some guy singing over three chords played on an acoustic guitar. Sure, the lyrics may be heart-wrenching, but there are times when that type of thing, musically, just isn't enough to keep one interested. To say music is entirely about emotion is equally as ignorant as some stereotypical Yngwie Malmsteen fan saying that it's all about how many notes one can play per second. Different strokes for different folks, like.

Folk is one of the oldest and most important genres ever. Dismissing it off is way different then dismissing a boring old metal band. No amount of bad analogies is going to change that.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Where did I ever call folk bland and pathetic? If I remember correctly I was specifically talking about people with acoustic guitars. Aren't you the one who pointed out that that isn't folk?

People do not need a degree in order to discuss music. I don't have one. However, I feel that without a knowledge of the methods used to create said music, appreciation other than that initial connection to the beauty and power of a piece is impossible.

I realize that liking or disliking a certain band is entirely subjective. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you dislike something I do (in this specific case, Cynic), I won't be offended or angry. However when the reason you give is something as trite as "their bland metal fusion". Then I take issue.

and thanks for thinking that a) I'm straightedge and b) I'm an *******. It means a lot. Granted I'd probably think you had more credibility if you didn't create threads titled "the ***est reply wins".

I'd also like to amend this: "and just to clarify, when I use the term technical, I'm NOT talking about mile a minute sweeps. That Cynic video is a prime example. Odd chord shapes coupled with counterpoint vocal melody create a layered effect that appeals to me in the pure aesthetic sense as well as the mathematical one."

This isn't even worth replying to, it's the same arrogant bull**** over and over. You're not proving anything by making stabs at how someone posts you realize that right? You've said two incredibly stupid things so far: "Emotion isn't important in music." and the most recent one "You have to know how something sounds the way it does to really understand it." You're so arrogant and ignorant it's hilarious especially seeing as you're completely unaware how stupid you sound. You take such pride in being an "asshole" guess what? You're the only one that thinks it makes you look cool. *awaits stabs at taste and whatever else kids with big internet dicks say*

pheurton · 01-21-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I realize that liking or disliking a certain band is entirely subjective. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you dislike something I do (in this specific case, Cynic), I won't be offended or angry. However when the reason you give is something as trite as "their bland metal fusion". Then I take issue.

The point is your blatant discretions towards folk music were all to do with one person finding one song boring hence my original reply was only showing how arrogant you actually are. I can't believe you fell for it hook line and sinker.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

thanks for thinking that a) I'm straightedge and b) I'm an *******. It means a lot. Granted I'd probably think you had more credibility if you didn't create threads titled "the ***est reply wins".

I wasn't thinking.
Plus threads like that are only for mild fun.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I'd also like to amend this: "and just to clarify, when I use the term technical, I'm NOT talking about mile a minute sweeps. That Cynic video is a prime example. Odd chord shapes coupled with counterpoint vocal melody create a layered effect that appeals to me in the pure aesthetic sense as well as the mathematical one."

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Don't try and turn around your original statement, oh and you also forgot to quote this

~~under~~ · 01-20-2008, 08:47 PM

you've been using the Cynic video for proof towards everything that it's becoming boring reading your posts. but i will add that you can have a connection with music without having the knowledge, but it wont be as good of a connection as if you had a very good sense in what the music is.

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~~under~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,051	you've been using the Cynic video for proof towards everything that it's becoming boring reading your posts. but i will add that you can have a connection with music without having the knowledge, but it wont be as good of a connection as if you had a very good sense in what the music is.