Blain

Sounds good, I'll be on the DL tonight.

sleepy jack

You're still sounding like one of those kids. I would try and have a discussion with you but it's pretty obvious you care more about being so cool and elitist then hearing someone else's opinion and guess what? I find Cynic boring. No amount of inaccurate generalizations about my taste or going on about their technical prowess is going to change that.

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riseagainstrocks

How am I trying to be cool? I'm pointing out that you simply don't have to background to discuss things on this level. You can find Cynic boring if you want. I really don't understand how. Nor does the vast majority of those with a musical education.

and jackhammer I don't see how I went on a tangent. You said that modern music is built off the blues. I agree. However since the origin of this whole discussion was my assertion that emotion in music can only truly carry the weight it was meant to for the writer only, I felt compelled to give my reasoning and then state how your logic did not apply to what I was talking about.

I'll relate this to another medium of art; painting. If a painter painted exactly with emotion, odds are you'd end up with something Pollack-ish. However, if time went into the planning, composition, study, and technique of the painting, you'd end up with some Rembrandt-ish.

Emotion in music is a fine starting place, but with out real ability, it's worthless

and just to clarify, when I use the term technical, I'm not talking about mile a minute sweeps. That Cynic video is a prime example. Odd chord shapes coupled with counterpoint vocal melody create a layered effect that appeals to me in the pure aesthetic sense as well as the mathematical one.

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sleepy jack

Wow, I barely know how to respond to that. Emotion IS an important element in music and you can't learn why someone likes something and why someone doesn't like something in a music class, hate to break that to you.

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swim

I like folk oriented music not just in the sound of folk but as an umbrella term of the same certain group of people who write, listen and enjoy folk music which well common people because it has 1/10 to do with notes and rhythms and 9/10 to do with stories, friends and actually putting out something with a little weight to it, for themselves at least. And I disrespect technical music because when you have to justify why something is good with scale degrees used in chords that make it oh so special, time signatures, accidentals, tempo changes, dissonance and what not then it must not be.

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ProggyMan

You can in a psychology class...Riseagainst, 'good music' isn't something you can explain with numbers. Because someone lacks technical skill doesn't mean they can't write a good song. You don't need extensive training in music theory to write a good melody, and you don't have to take poetry classes to write great lyrics...Music is more than just what you like, and dismissing anyone who doesn't have an associate degree in music theory's opinions is stupid.

Urban Hat€monger ?

I wasn't aware that people needed a degree in music to discuss it. If I was to go out & get one it wouldn't make me go out and become a fan of Cynic because that type of music does nothing for me. It might help me understand why YOU think they're good , but I already know why you think they're good because you've just said so below.

But both are equally sought after

From a technical standpoint it is. Personally i'm much more interested in the the message behind it & how it's expressed. I am much more interested in people and their experiences and stories than if someones nailed a chord properly.

And there's nothing wrong with that , but to me all those things are just window dressing to a song that deep down has very little substance.

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Lizzie

What on earth are you listening to??
Music is Emotion!!! If you dont have emotion, you simply dont have music, and it doesnt matter how great you are, or how much techniqal skills you have, emotion is a nessetate, or else your simply listening to notes being played

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ProggyMan

I agree with you to an extent, but how else do you define music besides (On a simplistic level) notes being played?

Blain

Oi RAR or Wayfarer, reckon you could PM me a link to Focus, I can't find it