Comus

I think I just read the worst post ever, and that's saying something. What are you on about Big3?

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cheezyridr

i couldn't actually read all those pages, so i read a few and skipped to the end.

no argument there

i agree partly with this also, although i would replace the word musician with the word people.

the thing is, for all their considerable talent (and all here admit that it is considerable) you need to be somewhat p1$$3d off, and hungry, and young and rebellious to be a great metal band.
you just can't sing the blues when you'r drivin a cadillac. how bad can life really be when you own mansions and ferraris? sure parts of it can suck,
but you don't live for the music like they did back in the days when they all lived in one apt and lived on ketchup and bread. when you're busy looking through furniture catalogs trying to figure out which dining room set defines "me" as a person, you're not metal anymore. that's just the way it is.

it's why mike muir took zack de la rocha to task calling people to fight the power and fight "the man" all the while working for sony and doing a nike commercial. it's why you can't be punk rock and do burger king ads.
people get old, their lifestyles change, their priorities change.
if hendrix, morrison and duane allman all lived their lives out they woulda got paunchy and tired, because that's what life does to you.

scottsy

Well, I can't disagree with the notion that life makes you paunchy and tired.... that there is the very picture of my good self... :-)

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Unrelenting

A band way past their prime. I think it's time they realized that they haven't been good for a good chunk of their career and just give up.

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TheBig3

You'd make a fabulous republican. You picked a minor point and made it look like the body of my argument.

1. Putting a warning lable on music doesn't censor the music at all.

2. I made special note to mention that downloading is favorable for both artist and consumer.

3. I'm justifying why lars isn't Hitler for going to congress for what he thought was right.

The idea that he laid off after the facts came out should prove that.

4. The RIAA can wage wars all it wants. iTunes alone will lay out half of their executives anyway. Illegal downloading was more likely keeping them in business seeing as it increased sales. The internet did little to kill mainstream bands, teens are still teens (except on this site), it only built up acts that weren't as exposed.

How do you think I feel, I have to approve your journal posts.

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sleepy jack

Nice burn Pelosi; you're clearly the Democrat here though seeing as you're now going back on what you said and twisting it. You never touched on downloading being beneficial to the consumer/artist all you said was it's increased sales; which is vague and it seemed more like a throwaway comment then anything else. Also the big four have taken big hits since downloading's become popular - that's why they've been so rabid in crucifying everyone from your grandma to the owner of OiNK.

Now to disabuse you of your ignorance. PMRC didn't just want to put a label on all albums and end it there; that was the compromise that came up. They wanted musicians dropped from labels for having "explicit" performances, songs to be removed from the radio and album from stores (completely) and of course they accused every metal band under the sun of brainwashing the youth to listen to drugs and worship satan. That is far more than a simple "parental advisory label" it's lucky those menopausal psychopathic fundamentalist evil witches were stopped with just a sticker.

I never said Lars was Hitler, but he was being a greedy (like basically any band of Metallica's stature) control freek and denying that would be stupid. He didn't say "oh I'm so sad about CDs and how they're suffering from this" he wanted a lot of money. He's even acknowledged this and even apologized and admitted ignorance to the whole phenomena.

Now I don't understand why you think itunes is going to hurt the RIAA or the big four - you realize they make money off of legal downloading right? Those songs are paid for and labels like Sony get their cut for their music that's put up. Now Girl Talk/Radiohead and that method of getting people to music probably will kill the big four but itunes won't at all if anything it helps by forcing them to modernize while still making a profit.

Also as far as me picking a "minor point" and going after it...that's bullshit. In typical syntactical logic the last few paragraphs are considered to be a "conclusion" of sorts and your last two paragraphs drew a direct comparison between what Zappa did and what Ulrich did; which I stand by being completely false and disingenuous.

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Dear Mr. McConnell,

1. I'll be god damned. I thought I'd written much more about it but point taken, I didn't. And by the by, my grandmother is from the crack capital of the U.S. - she's packin'

2. That was a compromise on behalf of the music industry, not in congress.

3. You've got balls kid. If I held you to text every time you made a snarky comment this place would be filled with long-winded rants focusing on one to three words of text that ...oh wait.

Whatever, You know as well as I do that Metallica are held to far higher standards when it comes to this sort of thing because greasy-haired, toolbags who spend time taking photos of themselves holding guitars once listen to Metallica to rebel against the cool kids. And while everyone intends to drag it off course to score points, you can dig through here and find proof of it constantly.

The 15 post members are the best indicator that Lars-hate is the pulse of the country. These boards as we've shown time and again are no barometer of what public perception is. Heres an example.

Linkin Park said as recently as 2 years ago that you really should buy the CD because the art that goes with it is really part of the experience.

It was a joke for 2 weeks and then it was over.

You're talking about a corporate driven message coming out to their fan base which would likely take that for truth. Nothing.

When Napster came out, and I got tipped off before it blew up you'd never had anything like that before. I used it, I watched the Camp Chaos videos, its was a playground. I was downloading stuff I had no interest in for the hell of it.

Is it really out of the question that Lars saw this as an issue for bands at large, or is he just supposed to say "**** yeah man, anarchy rules, everyone go steal ****, yeaaaaaah!!!!!"

As for the iTunes rationale, I'm saying now that the money train is over, i.e. fergie now sells $3 worth of stuff instead of $20 worth of stuff has done more to downsize the industry than some fraudulent punks steal underground bands Corp. Exec's don't give a **** about.

Now tell me which parts no one understood.

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boo boo

He doesn't want us dumb music fans to be able to explore too much music or we might catch on to how sh*tty a drummer he is.

I think record companies need to start taking a socialized approach when it comes to paying artists for record deals.

For example. Lets say I ran a record company and AC/DC were on my label.

I'd get out a pie chart and it would be something like this.



Cliff would be upset but this is when I'd break it to up him.

"Look Cliff, I know you've been in the band for over 30 years, and I know it's one of the biggest bands in the world. But lets face the facts. To each according to his work, that's what Marx said, and that's my philosophy.

You're a sh*tty bassist, you just play a few notes imitating whatever the riff is, it's rarely that audible, you don't contribute anything special to the bands sound, you're easly replaceable and nobody even knows who the f*ck you are. If you were kicked out of the band and replaced with a chimpanzee I don't think anyone would notice. Therefore, you shouldn't make over a million dollars per record. That's an insult to real musicians."

Afterwards he'd break down and cry. And I'd walk over to him, give him a hug and a pat on the head.

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TheBig3

did you make that just now?

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lucifer_sam

it does, iTunes is certainly responsible for the decline of the record label. since 2004 iTunes sales have risen dramatically while CD sales have plunged up to half what they were selling at their 2000 apex. record labels (and artists) make a significantly larger profit from CD sales; only about 8-12 cents per dollar ever sees the artist through online distributors. compared to about a 60% cut that goes to record labels from CD sales, yeah, it's a pretty big difference.

i wouldn't suggest that iTunes is the sole culprit for the losses which the big four have been posting the past decade, but it's certainly part of the zeitgeist. the widespread migration towards a more mobile community in the past ten years has allowed technologically-savvy companies like Apple to take advantage of the continuing trend.

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