Neurosis
Isis
Pelican
Rosetta
The Ocean
Minsk

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"Sins" by Irreversible is a great album. Should give it a listen if you have not.

Add Cult of Luna and your list of recommendations is now complete. IMO, Isis is tops.

I always viewed Isis as Neurosis Jr. personally. Both bands are great in their own right, but I would say Neurosis is the better of the two.

Neurosis are the ultimate post metal band, they define the genre!!!

From what i've sampled from Isis, off of Panopticon, it appears that this genre is appealing to me. All reviews and such that I've read mention Neurosis, but they have such a body of work I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm challenging someone to post a link the "best" Neurosis song haha

Your being unreasonable by calling Isis "jr" Neurosis. Certainly they were influenced by them, but over series of great albums, they forged their own identity. Furthermore, I really don't think their albums sound that similar at all.

I love Neurosis, but they also covered other genres other than post metal, so even though they helped pioneer it, I'd say Isis would be a better example for a first timer delving into p-m. Neurosis albums include post-metal songs, as well as a lot of other styles, similar to Swans albums of the 90's, which were highly diverse. Neurosis offered up a combination of post, sludge and industrial metal. Isis made post-metal album, through and through, sticking to that style through out, which again makes them a better example for a newbie.

Determining which group is better "metal" band is a tough call, but...I just may end up agreeing with you. But if you're talking "post" metal, I'm sticking with Isis.

"Through Silver in Blood" and "Times of Grace", are where to start with Neurosis. Consider "The Eye of Every Storm" if you prefer their more ambient side, or check out earlier albums like "Enemy of the Sun" if you like the heavier riffs. All their albums are quality.

"Through Silver and Blood" is the defining post-metal album. If you have any interest i the style that one is the one to start with for sure. Everything after that is also great. I also enjoy "A Sun that Never Sets"

I was refering to Neurosis or Isis in the world of post-metal. Not just in metal as a whole.

The I suppose I should refer it to as "Atmopheric Sludge Metal" rather than "post-metal".

For the most part I do enjoy Isis, "Panopticon" is probably their best work. Though "Wavering Radiant" and the Melvins split just didn't hold up to the earlier albums.

Both bands are great, I just prefer Neurosis as a whole when talking the post-metal era of them when compared to the output of Isis.

anyone know some good instrumental metal bands or songs?

looking for electronic black metal.... top albums?

If you mean strictly electronic releases done by otherwise metal bands, Beherit's "Electronic Doom Synthesis" and Ildjarn-Nidhogg's Hardangervidda parts 1 & 2 are my favorites. Traditional releases by these bands pair nicely with these, as they highlight the similarities between otherwise chaotic, minimilastic black metal and the music of groups such as Tangerine Dream.

Burzum did some albums in this style, as did Fenriz of Darkthrone (under the Nepture Towers banner) - but I think these albums are rather boring.

I mean stuff like Gorgoroth where they mix electronic loops with black metal

Check out Alcest.

fixed.

Check out Counter-World Experience.

How about we dont advertise here you son of a bitch.

Wow this is really good! I will have to look more into Alcest, is this their newer stuff because wikipedia has them associated with black metal. Anyways, as a side- heard Godflesh for the first time today...little bit of a doozy, but like with anything in extreme metal, its probably an acquired taste. Also, what are your thoughts about Deathspell Omega?

Godflesh changed their sound quite a bit over the years. What album(s) in particular have you listened to?

Anyone who likes TooL should take a listen to a band called "Karnivool", their latest album is called Sound Awake, really awesome stuff! Hope some one enjoys it : )

Awesome rock songs? Help?!
 

I'd like to know if any of you know of a fun, party rock song that's not too suggestive but still makes you want to rock out? A good guitar solo would be cool too.
Please leave your suggestions!

you'd be good with any KISS hit song from their classic period

Rock and Roll All Nite, Love Gun, Do You Love Me?, Calling Dr. Love

other stuff:-

Def Leppard - Pour Some Sugar On Me
Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood
Poison - Unskinny Bop

(Those are all to 80s & 90s Glam rockish). Just about anything southern rock or leaning more R&B..Blues Rock orientated, like Lynard Skynard, Molly Hatchet, any 70s classic rock may produce better results if your looking for good guitar leads, etc.
Dr. Feelgood is OK, but Pour Some Sugar On Me and Unskinny Bop sounds kinda.. (bubblegum)?

I love Prog Metal like Dream Theater,Symphony X,Ayreon,Pagens Mind,Stratavarious and Vaden Plas but I feel these bands owe a debt to Rush of course but also King Diamond.King who just recovered from heart surgery has one of the best vocal ranges in all music.Not only is he a great singer but his songwriting is second to none.Just listen to the diobalical classics Them and Conspericy.I know a lot of people dislike him due to the Satanism but to me that just adds to the creepyness and isnt that what metal is really ment to be.What makes King Progressive is the great bant behind him and his concepts.

Anyone have any recommendations for GOOD modern rock?

The closest I've heard to contemporary rock that is really good is High on Fire. They definitelly have a metal leaning... but the songs are done in a traditional manner and they're all about the hook.

And, yes, James D Hill, King Diamond is amazing. Truly great vocalist, and a great performer.

High on Fire aren't "metal leaning", they're just straight up metal. I agree they're a great band though.

High on Fire one of the best stoner metal bands around.

I have to say I don't get why they're tagged as stoner metal. They sound very little like stoner metal to me, more like a thrashy Motorhead.

The Motorhead influence is very evident in their sound and I`d say they were also influenced by Hawkwind especially the acid rock element.

The stoner metal tag I`d say was correct given Matt Pike`s links with Sleep and being from California stoner metal is probably in their veins.

The early material is very stoner metal. I`d also say they have a Melvins sludge metal element as well.

Sleep was definitely stoner but that doesn't mean everything Matt Pike does for the rest of his life is going to be stoner.

I don't have their first album so maybe that's where all the stoner sounding stuff is, but certainly don't find the second album to be particularly stoner sounding.

I was indeed referring to the second album, if you don`t think its very stoner what would you describe it as?

I don't know exactly what label I'd put on it, but definitely not stoner. It's way too fast for starters. And what other stoner band can you think of that has drumming like that?

There is a lot of crossover between stoner, sludge and doom metal anyway especially between doom and sludge and stoner and sludge, making sludge the vital link.

Kyuss probably one of the most famous stoner acts could play pretty fast as well.

It would be kind of interesting to to define these three metal genres, as they define the slow to mid tempo range of metal.

I agree there's a lot of crossover between those styles but I wouldn't describe High on Fire as playing any of them. To me one of the defining characteristics of all three is relatively slow tempos.

I don't know Kyuss all that well but what I remember of them doesn't sound much like High on Fire.

Hmm... that would be interesting. Let me give it a shot:

Doom—Probably the hardest to define of the three since it has a number of subgenres that are pretty different from each other, but basically I'd class it as metal with a fairly direct line of descent from Black Sabbath. Characteristics include fuzzy guitar riffing and much less emphasis on the drums than other varieties of metal.

Stoner—I would mostly consider this a subgenre of Doom. Of all styles of metal this is the one most likely to display some of the blues influence from metal's earliest years, though not always. Tempos are slow, guitars have that fuzzy doom riffing style, vocals are generally clean and songs are often quite long.

Sludge—I view sludge as sort of a 50/50 mix of doom and hardcore and as one of the noisiest types of metal. Guitars are distorted and abrasive, tempos are slow and vocals are screamed.

Do you guys think anything by Korn or Rage Against The Machine is worth buying?

Rage Against The Machine's first album is pretty good, it's just aged badly because it influenced so much crappy music.

So you recommend that? Is any of their other stuff good?

Interesting take on the three, but there are a number of aspects I`d raise though.

Doom- I actually think this is the easiest to define, its the slowest of the three and draws its line of descent directly from Black Sabbath and its the least varied of the three. Typical bands are Electric Wizard, Cathedral, Candlemass and American bands Pentagram and Saint Vitus (both of these groups are not as heavy though, probably to do with the fact that they were formed in the 70`s).

Sludge- My fav of the three largely due to its influences from southern rock, blues etc and as said there is also a hardcore element typical in some of the bands like Crowbar. Typical bands are Corrosion of Conformity, Eyehategod, Down and of course the Melvins the best band, despite having a highly experimental edge.

Stoner- Again covers a wide field and along with blues influences, the psychedelic element is very evident, without doubt not as slow as the other two genres and bands in this genre can also be described as stoner rock such as Monster Magnet or desert rock, I`d also say that bands like Blue Cheer and Blue Oyster Cult were very early purveyors of this sound. Typical bands are Kyuss and Sleep.

As for High on Fire I`ll agree they are faster than I thought with a heavy Motorhead influence and touches of Slayer. But they do have a sluggish heavy Kyuss type sound as well which underpins everything. For that reason I`d still classify them as a stoner metal band with a faster sound. The drumming is about as intense as that of say Mastodon

Korn has a couple of OK singles, they will be disappointing if you are expecting artistic rock. They are basically just rhythm section musically that is very loud with effects. In my opinion, their sound almost borders on the Funk Rock genre, but Nu-Metal is their origin.
Rage Against The Machine is a band I have been meaning to check out myself.

I`d say RATM were very much of their time and not really worth listening to, I have the debut album and its nothing special. Korn are far superior all round and their debut is a NU-Metal classic......in fact the only classic album from the whole genre as I don`t think of SOAD as really being NU-Metal. Any reason why you`ve picked these two bands to listen to?