Sludge, stoner, doom - where is the profit in seperating these genres out? Why not simply call them "Doom"? It describes both the tone and the tempo, and is inclusive of both the rock and metal ends of the spectrum.

Or we could just say High on Fire is what hard rock sounds like 20 years after Motorhead, Metallica, Black Sabbath (etc.) have become radio mainstays.

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Buying? Absolutely not. Pirate if you want, but I would not recommend buying anything from these guys. They've made fistfulls of cash anyways, and the music isn't all that memorable.

Based on this logic we could also umbrella thrash, death and black metal as well, as they all have a similiar tone and tempo. But if we did this we would lose the identify and differences between the three genres!!! the same logic also applies to sludge, stoner and doom.

I agree that High on Fire could be described as an amalgamation of the bands that you`ve listed and for this reason we could just call them heavy metal and nothing else.

Sleep > High on Fire.

fact.

What is the fact?

That Sleep was better than anything Matt Pike did with High on Fire.

I think Doom is only easy to define if you stick to older style bands like Cathedral, St. Vitus, etc.. But when you consider it's multiple subgenres Doom is the most varied of the three. I mean Stoner Doom, Funeral Doom and Drone Doom are all pretty different from each other.

It's interesting, you're looking at Sludge from a totally different angle from me. I don't disagree with the bands you've picked as examples but I think of them as on the Stoner edge of Sludge. When I think of Sludge the first bands that come to mind are the likes of Iron Monkey or Noothgrush.

Well here's one we agree on. Mostly. :)

I'll split the difference and agree they have some songs that have the sluggish quality you're talking about where I could see a connection to Stoner Metal. Overall, though, I wouldn't put them in that category.

The only area where Sleep beats High on Fire is Dopesmoker being better than early High of Fire albums. Death is this Communion, on the other hand, is better than anything Sleep ever released.

Sleep's Holy Mountain was better than "Dopesmoker".

I completely and utterly disagree.

Dopesmoker is an ambition project. A one song hour long EP, I will give it that. But I will take SHM over it, but I will take DS over Jerualem.

I am also biased cause I am not huge on most stoner metal, and with every passing day am outgrowing metal in general, but I do like some select stuff.

Dopesmoker actually has two songs on it though I agree the title track is the more relevant one. And Jerusalem is just the song "Dopesmoker" so I'm not sure why you're making such a distinction between the two albums.

Yeah, the two are the same album... but two versions of I feel.

I meant that out of the 2 DS was the better recorded version.

Doom is fairly straightforward unless you go into its subgenres, in fact most modern day doom metal bands have actually evolved their sound to incorporate sludge and stoner elements due to their greater diversity.

I certainly look at sludge differently to you, because when I think of sludge I think the Melvins, Corrosion of Conformity and Down. I don`t actually like Crowbar and Iron Monkey that much, because of the stronger hardcore punk influence that they have!!!

Sleep`s Holy Mountain is a classic album and I`d say slightly better than the best 2 albums put out by High on Fire "Blessed Black Wings" and "Death is This Communion" But overall the output of High on Fire is consistently better than that of Sleep.

Why are you outgrowing it? What other types of music do you think can offer you more?

I raise you one Electric Wizard.

That's pretty hard to beat.

Not really, just find band that tunes their instruments properly and is at least somewhat tolerable to listen to. Easy day.

I'll go with the awesomeness that is Electric Wizard over a "somewhat tolerable" band any day of the week, thanks.

Its certainly an ever growing genre with an endless supply of bands.

Out of that genre I think one of my favorites has gotta be Black Tusk, i like the dual vocals and the fact they kind of stray from the idiotic guitar solos that some people feel obligated to play.

I just mean, I used to sit around and listen to a lot of metal, and lately I have just been getting more and more bored with the majority of it. Good style, full of some great instrumentation... but lyrical content and macho posturing and cliches that haunt the genre just get to me.

I listen to a lot of the old death metal and now after hearing it a few times, just loses impact to me.

Slowly I lose more and more interest.

the recent spate of posts is making this all off-topic

so to rein it back, anybody know of any other bands like later Paradise Lost? i mean ethereal melodies, tasty synths, almost dancey rhythms

Can someone recommend me some bands that sound like this? I mean, not bands similar to Eluveitie in general, but bands whose music sounds similar to this particular Eluveitie song?

Thats the problem, if you`re going to listen to just one type of music constantly you will get bored with it. I listen to all types of music besides metal and the constant variety of what I listen to keeps stuff fresh.

Listening to old death metal is probably the last thing you should be listening to if you want variety. Even in metal especially on the lighter and melodic side you`ll find a lot more variety.

Eh? Why is macho bad? Considering the demographics of metal, it makes sense and it's at least sincere. Really, I'll take the bands that wear masculinity on their sleaves over horse**** like "Wolves in the Throne Room" who call themselves "Eco-Feminist", despite the fact that they're all dudes.

The problem is it is not genuine, it is bullsh*t posturing. The majority of metal is all substance over style, and image based music, and mostly just soulless wank.

I was kind of curious why you even bother posting in the metal forum? I mean it's just meaningless BS. Also your contracting yourself.."metal is all substance over style" ? So metal is substantial, no?

Can anyone recommend any good metal dvd's? There don't seem to be many good lists out there on the internet...

Gorgoroth, "Black Mass Krakow 2004" is pretty neat. Not the best of Black Metal bands, but a good show.

Your listening to the wrong stuff then. Most metal i hear doesnt even have wanking anywhere within it. Hell for a while metal bands refused to even play solos. Thank god that changed.

Mushroomhead and Slipknot r Great

Not really...

Hi, I love hard rock type music but am now starting to get into Classic Rock..
 

Been listening to stuff like Fleetwood Mac & Joan Jett and the Blackhearts and am loving the style.

Im thinkin of giving The Beatles are try but not sure what album to get, an album called 1 seems to be the best bet since it has all of their number 1 songs.. but since The Beatles are supposed to have heaps of great songs im afraid I will miss out on some other gems.

Basicly I need help to decide what Beatles album to get haha.. and im hopeing none of my friends see this because I know its not normal for a 19 year old to be interested in music his grand parents listened to haha

It's an admirable quest. I would strongly recommend not simply doing the Greatest Hits, as there's a lot you will miss out on. I'd personally suggest you start either with Revolver or Abbey Road.

alright, i'll look those ones up

When I first discovered AC/DC afew months ago I only had the iron man 2 album haha.. now I have nearly every single album they have made since nearly all of their songs are gold. Same thing is happening with Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath.. im gettin a nice MP3 collection.. haha.. Im loving Rock music, now im really digging Classic Rock

PS: Sry, didnt see the sticky

Some good albums to start with for various thrash metal bands? Just throw everything at me you got, I can sift through the ones I've heard.

Megadeth - Rust In Peace

Metallica - Master Of Puppets

Slayer - Reign In Blood

Anthrax - Among The Living

Exodus - Bonded By Blood

Testament - Legacy

The six albums above are essential listens for the genre, the six I`ve recommended below, will give you even more variety and diversity, again its just one album per band.

Kreator- Coma of Souls

Sepultura- Arise

Voivod- Nothing Face

Anacrusis- Manic Impressions

Overkill- The Years of Decay

Judas Priest- Painkiller (not a thrash band of course but so influential on the genre and Painkiller is their thrash/speed metal sounding album)

I'd like to add:-

Sacred Reich - Surf Nicaragua

Forced Entry - Uncertain Future

Voivod - Dimension Hattross (prog-thrash)

These albums are all great. ^

I always thought "The New Order" was one of Testament's best back in my thrash days. Highly recommended for some deeper listening if you like what you hear in "Legacy".