Death

Unknown Soldier · 07-18-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

The metal media, to what extent it exists, hands out such titles as though they were tic-tacs; Morbid Angel have been called the Ramones of Death Metal, for instance.

.........as Ozzy Osbourne has been called the Godfather of Metal and Iggy Pop the Godfather of Punk. They really should take more effort before handing out such titles

**Janszoon** · 07-18-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Death are 2nd wave of Death Metal; first wave bands such as Sepultura & Possessed were more important.

Huh? Death is older than Sepultura and the same age as Possessed. I fail to see how they're "second wave".

almauro · 07-18-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Huh? Death is older than Sepultura and the same age as Possessed. I fail to see how they're "second wave".

Yeah, never thought Death Metal had a 2nd Wave, it was pretty much one tidal wave, that got more progressive and technical with time. Maybe there's some confusion with the second wave of black metal, since Sepultura was considered a first wave BM band.

**Janszoon** · 07-18-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by almauro

Yeah, never thought Death Metal had a 2nd Wave, it was pretty much one tidal wave, that got more progressive and technical with time. Maybe there's some confusion with the second wave of black metal, since Sepultura was considered a first wave BM band.

I've never heard Sepultura described as black metal. I don't really see how the label would fit them.

almauro · 07-18-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I've never heard Sepultura described as black metal. I don't really see how the label would fit them.

Give "Bestial Devastation" and "Morbid Vision" a listen. It was before Kisser joined up with them. They were doing the DYI, low-fi, dark Satanic, horns up thing, comfortably placing them in league with Venom, Celtic Frost and Bathory.

BastardofYoung · 07-18-2011, 01:28 PM

Death predated Sepultura and Possessed.

Hellhammer and Death were around from the start (Death under the name Mantas).

Unknown Soldier · 07-18-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

Death predated Sepultura and Possessed.

That could make them proto-death metal

BastardofYoung · 07-18-2011, 04:09 PM

plus "Beastial Devestation" is kinda bad. Not Sepultura's crowning achievement. Sure it was an inspiration to Death Metal, but subtract the inspiration and left with a pretty awful release.

Metal Connoisseur · 07-18-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

plus "Beastial Devestation" is kinda bad. Not Sepultura's crowning achievement. Sure it was an inspiration to Death Metal, but subtract the inspiration and left with a pretty awful release.

Keep in mind it was recorded in two days, and the band members couldn't speak English yet. They had a friend who could speak the language (sort of) translate for them so some of their lyrics on that EP aren't even grammatically correct. It's so strange to listen to early Sepultura and then pop in Chaos or Roots. It's like two completely different bands.

BastardofYoung · 07-18-2011, 06:44 PM

yeah. in that regard it is interesting. But they were better as a Thrash band "Schizophrenia", "Beneath the Remains" and "Arise" was the holy trilogy for them.

07-18-2011, 01:28 PM	#46 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Death predated Sepultura and Possessed. Hellhammer and Death were around from the start (Death under the name Mantas). __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

07-18-2011, 04:09 PM	#48 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	plus "Beastial Devestation" is kinda bad. Not Sepultura's crowning achievement. Sure it was an inspiration to Death Metal, but subtract the inspiration and left with a pretty awful release. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

07-18-2011, 06:44 PM	#50 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	yeah. in that regard it is interesting. But they were better as a Thrash band "Schizophrenia", "Beneath the Remains" and "Arise" was the holy trilogy for them. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.