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View Poll Results: Who is the best drummer
John Bonham 4 66.67%
Ginger Baker 0 0%
Keith Moon 2 33.33%
Charlie Watts 0 0%
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:35 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Gene Krupa, Jo Jones, and Chick Webb.
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:40 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Man Gene Krupa.... also muchmentions to Moon, the first lead Drummer, and bonham for sheer intensity.
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Old 09-21-2005, 07:40 PM   #43 (permalink)
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But in general, jazz drummers are way better than rock drummers.
On what grounds? Overall maybe, but thats because rock is more accecible and you hear more drummers, therefore the scale goes down.

Rock being an amalgamate of all roots music, it seems that rock drummers, having the ability to do jazz and other styles, would have the ability to outshine jazz only drummers. Neil Peart, Carter Beauford, Dave Grohl, John Bonham, Keith Moon, Mike Portney, Ginger Baker, and Stewart Copeland are great example of drummers who can really take rock from some misbegotten art form that jazz guys and classical musicians snub and make it viable.

Just because Meg White and the guy from AC/DC don't go super techinical doesn't mean:
A.) Their bad
B.) That rocks bad
C.) That its a genre that employees terrible skill-less people on the kit.
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Old 09-21-2005, 07:44 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Keith Moon for me of course because fish inside of drums cannot be topped.

and yet...

Where the fuck is Jimmy Chamberlin, James!?!?!?!?!?!?! You SOB!
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Old 09-21-2005, 08:01 PM   #45 (permalink)
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On what grounds? Overall maybe, but thats because rock is more accecible and you hear more drummers, therefore the scale goes down.

Rock being an amalgamate of all roots music, it seems that rock drummers, having the ability to do jazz and other styles, would have the ability to outshine jazz only drummers. Neil Peart, Carter Beauford, Dave Grohl, John Bonham, Keith Moon, Mike Portney, Ginger Baker, and Stewart Copeland are great example of drummers who can really take rock from some misbegotten art form that jazz guys and classical musicians snub and make it viable.

Just because Meg White and the guy from AC/DC don't go super techinical doesn't mean:
A.) Their bad
B.) That rocks bad
C.) That its a genre that employees terrible skill-less people on the kit.
I did not say that:

A.) Meg White and AC/DC's drummers are bad because they play simple beats. I often find myself defending them, especially Meg, when other people say they suck at drums, which is a stupid thing to say, considering that they both do exactly what drummers are supposed to do in the first place: keep the beat.
B.) That rock's bad, I like it just as much as jazz and probably a bit more.
C.) That rock employs terrible and less-skilled people on the kit. I didn't say rock drummers are bad in any way, shape, or form. I just said that in general I think jazz drummers are way better, because I find their playing more interesting and complex.

There are jazz drummers that transcend genres as well (not too many in the traditional jazz area, I'll give you that), mainly in fusion: Dave Weckl, Alex Acuña, Jack DeJohnette, and Lenny White I'd consider better than most (in Weckl's case, any that I've heard) rock drummers. Of course, it all comes down to opinion in the end. I'm just saying, once again, that I think jazz drummers in general play better and more interestingly.
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I'd like to also include that shmuck from the deftones whos the only redeeming quality of that band and danny carey.
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Old 09-21-2005, 08:44 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Brann Dailor owns each and every drummer of the world.
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Old 09-21-2005, 09:19 PM   #48 (permalink)
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On what grounds? Overall maybe, but thats because rock is more accecible and you hear more drummers, therefore the scale goes down.

Rock being an amalgamate of all roots music, it seems that rock drummers, having the ability to do jazz and other styles, would have the ability to outshine jazz only drummers. Neil Peart, Carter Beauford, Dave Grohl, John Bonham, Keith Moon, Mike Portney, Ginger Baker, and Stewart Copeland are great example of drummers who can really take rock from some misbegotten art form that jazz guys and classical musicians snub and make it viable.

Just because Meg White and the guy from AC/DC don't go super techinical doesn't mean:
A.) Their bad
B.) That rocks bad
C.) That its a genre that employees terrible skill-less people on the kit.
^ Word, Meg White is nothing special, however i wouldn't say shes horrible, she does her job appropiately, she keeps the beat suprisingly well for a band that has NO bass player to help add to the beat, she has to do it all by herself, what she plays is so simple a 1 year old can do it, but she manages to keep the rhythm perfectly and can keep up with jack without the asistance of a bassist, which is something i dont think is as easy as it may seem...My point is, she does her job and she gets it RIGHT, she adds perfectly to the white stripes sound, if they had a bassist like Geddy Lee and a drummer like Neil Peart it would just ruin the music completely, they are perfect in Rush but in the White Stripes they would be trying so hard to outshine jack that the music would lose all of its simple beauty and magic.
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