Who is the Greatest of the Big Four of Thrash Metal?

**Janszoon** · 08-27-2010, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Most Metallica fans that I know of really like AJFA!!! and I also see it as the last great album by the group in their first phase despite its shoddy production. I`d rather listen to this album than the following Metallica album anytime.

I agree and would actually go as far as saying I like And Justice For All a lot more than Kill 'Em All.

mr dave · 08-27-2010, 12:24 PM

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I agree and would actually go as far as saying I like And Justice For All a lot more than Kill 'Em All.

i wouldn't quite go that far but there's no denying the awesomeness of Dyer's Eve or Blackened.

almauro · 08-27-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

you're thinking Bring The Noise with Chuck D. it's hardly a gimmick when you're the first ones to do it though at that point it's generally considered innovative. shocking! i know.

Thanks for reminding me. You might be interested in this little 1986 ditty..Run-DMC & Aeromsith's - Walk This Way.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-27-2010, 01:26 PM

Hip Hop artists have had always used rock music in their music, Run DMC & Aerosmith was no different.

The difference was Anthrax working with Public Enemy was the first time a rock band had covered a hip hop song and not vice versa.

That's why it was groundbreaking.

Unknown Soldier · 08-27-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree and would actually go as far as saying I like And Justice For All a lot more than Kill 'Em All.

Its a hard comparison as the very early thrash albums display a primordial primitive feel, that are almost a world away from albums like ....And Justice For All.

almauro · 08-27-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Hip Hop artists have had always used rock music in their music, Run DMC & Aerosmith was no different.

The difference was Anthrax working with Public Enemy was the first time a rock band had covered a hip hop song and not vice versa.

That's why it was groundbreaking.

I don't know, I saw it as an attempt merge two audiences to capture a little cha-jing, cha-jing. I guess you can call it groundbreaking in the sense it laid the foundation for Nu-Metal and Korn.

LoathsomePete · 08-27-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

I don't know, I saw it as an attempt merge two audiences to capture a little cha-jing, cha-jing. I guess you can call it groundbreaking in the sense it laid the foundation for Nu-Metal and Korn.

And opened the doors to hip hop for white kids.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-27-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

I don't know, I saw it as an attempt merge two audiences to capture a little cha-jing, cha-jing. I guess you can call it groundbreaking in the sense it laid the foundation for Nu-Metal and Korn.

Over a decade later.

Anybody could point to any groundbreaking moment in music and say it was bad just because of what it spawned 10 years later.

**Janszoon** · 08-27-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i wouldn't quite go that far but there's no denying the awesomeness of Dyer's Eve or Blackened.

Those are probably my two favorite songs on the album.

jackhammer · 08-27-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The Testament albums I had in mind were "The New Order" "The Ritual" and "The Gathering". The Gathering is probably the heaviest and most aggressive thing that I`ve heard by them. I seem to remember, they started the move to more death metal in style on the previous "Demonic" album.

Testament's debut 'The Legacy' whilst rough around the edges is generally regarded as one of the best Thrash albums outside of the big four and rightly so. I personally think that they lost momentum with each subsequent album and regardless whether they dipped their toes into Death Metal later on, they had enough about them earl;y on to really make it. They made an album a couple of years back which was absolutely awful and stank of nu metal cheese and not in a pleasant, aromatic way either.

As for what Urban stated- he is entirely correct. Just because many bands turned out crap through utilising Hip Hop doesn't mean that the hybrid is without merit.

Both forms of music (discounting certain bands lyrics etc) are very similar. DIY music made in a garage and socially relavent.

I will still champion Mordred as the greatest and most influential band of this era though and many years above the usual contenders.

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