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Oriphiel · 12-01-2014, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

Now you're insinuating I'm a troll and correcting my grammar Oriphiel.
Jesus God man, is there no end to your ranting and raving?

We seemed to be on the same page when you mentioned Bad Company and Aerosmith. And then you went off into the subject of southern rock for some reason.

Bad Company was the more blues rock orientated band out of the two. They were more mainstream during the early to late 70s also.

As Unknown Soldier and the Batlord like to put it, Bad Company was the Nickelback of the 70s.

Other than their earlier work, I will admit Aerosmith was more on the hard rock edge. And the better band of the two in my opinion. Steven Tyler's vocals and stage appearance/ presence alone is iconic.

At the same time I don't hold Aerosmith on the same level as one of the all time greats of blues rock like the Rolling Stones.

Were talking about a small window of time here. Around a 7 year period only. A lot of the good bands had either sold out or disappeared by 78 and 79.

Now you're getting angry. Not fun being called a troll, is it? Anyway, who cares about that, let's move on. Please re-read the last sentence of your post. You claim that the late seventies were void of talent, but that was one of the great points of music. Heavy Metal, Punk Rock, Post Punk, Glam Rock, Hair Metal, all existing at once. It was a beautiful time to be alive. You had bands like The Ramones, Blondie, The Modettes, The Sex Pistols, Bad Company, all existing at once. Honestly, you could pick any one band from that time period out of a hat, and you'd find them to be more important to modern music than Aerosmith.

Oh yeah, and you also never followed up your claim that I "talked to myself in the general music forum", and had alternate accounts. I might be a jerk, but it seems that you are a liar. And I know which of those I would prefer to be.

Unknown Soldier · 12-01-2014, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

The Doors, Dion Dimucci, The Beach Boys, The Sonics, The Shadows of Knight, The American Breed, Tommy James and the Shondells. Pick one. They're all more influential than Aerosmith, and competed with British bands in the mid to late 60's. And believe me when I say that I have a thousand more bands like them that I can name. Now hush, before Gary US Bonds takes you to New Orleans and teaches you about real rock 'n roll.

But we're talking about Aerosmith's influence on hard rock and heavy metal here and not other types of music. You know when people discuss influences on those genres the same type of bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Kiss, Alice Cooper and Aerosmith, along with a selection of other bands is what usually comes up in any book or internet site. Maybe you should do some research....

Whether you like a band or not these are simple facts to understand. For example I really can't stand The Beach Boys but I'm not going to spend my time trolling around saying that they're not influential or there were a million other bands better than them.

Oriphiel · 12-01-2014, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

But we're talking about Aerosmith's influence on hard rock and heavy metal here and not other types of music. You know when people discuss influences on those genres the same type of bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Kiss, Alice Cooper and Aerosmith, along with a selection of other bands is what usually comes up in any book or internet site. Maybe you should do some research....

Whether you like a band or not these are simple facts to understand. For example I really can't stand The Beach Boys but I'm not going to spend my time trolling around saying that they're not influential or there were a million other bands better than them.

You misunderstand. The bands I listed were influential on Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple were very influenced by Garage bands of the 60's, borrowing the distorted guitar work, the slamming drumming, and the fun keyboard work (which Deep Purple in particular had a ball with) that Garage Rock and Psychadelia made popular. In fact, that's exactly where all of those bands you listed got their starts. Even Bob Seger was in a crazy garage band ("The Mushrooms"), you know.

If we're going to have a "who made who?" fight, you're going to lose this one.

Unknown Soldier · 12-01-2014, 06:26 AM

Well there doesn’t seem to be much point continuing with you here, as you’re constantly looking for every angle you can to skirt around the main point concerning Aerosmith's influence. Which to be fair is common knowledge to anybody into the type of music we're discussing here, whether you like the band or not.

Now normally three things happen on threads like this when they reach this point.

1) You’ll turn nasty and insulting to get your point across and get banned.
2) You’ll slink away with your tail between your legs to fight another day.
3) You'll continue to bleat on and eventually the mods will do everybody a favour and lock the thread up (which is usually the best option)

I’ve yet to see anybody in your position go for the fourth option and that is to admit that they’ve got things wrong, hold their hands up and at least try and investigate the opinions that the others are suggesting to them, instead of just saying that everybody else has constantly got it wrong.

You’ve joined a music forum which like a lot specialized forums, usually attracts people with a fairly expansive knowledge of the forum subject base. So to constantly challenge their opinions with your own narrow minded opinions, usually means you have a limited knowledge on the subject or that you’re just trolling around here.

I'll be interested to see which direction you'll take now.

Oriphiel · 12-01-2014, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Well there doesn’t seem to be much point continuing with you here, as you’re constantly looking for every angle you can to skirt around the main point concerning Aerosmith's influence. Which to be fair is common knowledge to anybody into the type of music we're discussing here, whether you like the band or not.

Now normally three things happen on threads like this when they reach this point.

1) You’ll turn nasty and insulting to get your point across and get banned.
2) You’ll slink away with your tail between your legs to fight another day.
3) You'll continue to bleat on and eventually the mods will do everybody a favour and lock the thread up (which is usually the best option)

I’ve yet to see anybody in your position go for the fourth option and that is to admit that they’ve got things wrong, hold their hands up and at least try and investigate the opinions that the others are suggesting to them, instead of just saying that everybody else has constantly got it wrong.

You’ve joined a music forum which like a lot specialized forums, usually attracts people with a fairly expansive knowledge of the forum subject base. So to constantly challenge their opinions with your own narrow minded opinions, usually means you have a limited knowledge on the subject or that you’re just trolling around here.

I'll be interested to see which direction you'll take now.

Ah, taking the "White Knight" approach. Hard to counter without looking like a jerk, which is what makes the technique so effective. But if you're willing to be a gentleman, so am I. Consider the thread officially back on topic. Friends?

Vitne Eveille · 12-01-2014, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Let's be realistic here... Van Halen are the hair metal band. They practically invented the genre. They set the trend of "sleazy singer + insanely talented guitarist = money". And if we're talking about the best hair/glam metal band (rather than album, which is why I brought up Dokken's Tooth and Nail), don't forget about "W.A.S.P."! They're just like Motley Crue, but with a male lead singer!

VH, of course. I sometimes feel they aren't really a hair-metal band though. But in any case, VH is stupidly iconic (meaning, iconic as hell!). And DLR's solo band, the first two albums with Steve Vai? Whew!

WASP is another great, I always think of them in a tv interview (was it Behind the Music?) talking about how the crowd would throw raw meat at them, and one time someone threw a frozen rack of lamb and it knocked their guitarist unconscious or something.

That's pretty 80s

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 12-01-2014, 10:25 PM

Oriphiel, stop being a little punk.

Now, you seem to have made nice, but I still wanted to say that.

Necromancer · 12-02-2014, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Oriphiel, stop being a little punk.

Now, you seem to have made nice, but I still wanted to say that.

The guys already lost any respect he had as a member on this music forum.
His post are nothing more than gibberish.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 12-02-2014, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

The guys already lost any respect he had as a member on this music forum.
His post are nothing more than gibberish.

I retract my statement then.

Oriphiel, stop being a douche. And I loved how you said Unknown Soldier, one of the most knowledgeable in regard to music, would lose an argument with you in regard of who made who; sir, I laugh at you.

That comment alone made you sound so holier than thou, know it all, dick. Nobody likes people that pull crap like that. So presumptuous of you "I don't even know you but I'm just going to say I know more than you an this subject of music..."

...dude, no.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-02-2014, 03:45 AM

There was no reason to start this argument again once it was over.
Kindly drop it.

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	There was no reason to start this argument again once it was over. Kindly drop it. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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CoNtrivedNiHilism Because I Am, I Can! Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,128	Oriphiel, stop being a little punk. Now, you seem to have made nice, but I still wanted to say that.