Best Metal Album of All Time?

Howard the Duck · 09-19-2011, 03:10 AM

Justin Bieber - My World 2.0

Metal Connoisseur · 09-19-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

studio version:

Sabbath gave Heavy Metal an image, but the sound was already established and being shaped before they came along.

I'm not disputing that Blue Cheer contributed to the budding heavy metal sound in the late sixties, but one could argue that Sabbath wrote original songs whereas "Summertime Blues" (Blue Cheer's defining song?) was just an old blues tune that they covered with a more metallic spin. I haven't heard any other song by Blue Cheer so idk if they're other tracks sound similar to that particular cover, just offering some food for thought.

But as you said earlier, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Cream, and some might even say Hendrix all helped to shape a sound that Black Sabbath really refined as they came into their own. I'd say that you really couldn't pinpoint a single band who invented it, as it was really just a heavier form of the blues at the time.

Unknown Soldier · 09-19-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Syrith

Yes, they are. Black Sabbath invented metal. Without Black Sabbath, there is no metal. None. None more metal.

Nobody is debating the fact that Black Sabbath are not the most influential metal act of all time, or the fact that they were probably the first and most important metal act as well through lyrics and image etc. But as stated the foundations had been laid by other bands, some of which have been mentioned who played the blues and psychedelic very loud. The metal label for Sabbath came a lot later, as most music in the 1970s just really came under the moniker of "heavy" with a whole load of bands straddling the line between hard rock and heavy metal. Things really got defined in the early 1980s with the NWOBHM and the emergence of thrash and hair metal etc.

The only reason people are debating the point about Black Sabbath with you, is that you`re putting across the argument that Sabbath are the be all and end all of metal, its rather like somebody coming into a rock thread and stating the Beatles are the be all and end all of rock.

Unknown Soldier · 09-19-2011, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

But as you said earlier, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Cream, and some might even say Hendrix all helped to shape a sound that Black Sabbath really refined as they came into their own. I'd say that you really couldn't pinpoint a single band who invented it, as it was really just a heavier form of the blues at the time.

Even Black Sabbath had blues influences which is why Judas Priest could be defined as the first true metal band as well. When it comes to heaviness, the Deep Purple album In Rock was probably the heaviest thing around for the era and that album was fucking heavy for 1970 and it was a number of years before anybody recorded anything as heavy.

BastardofYoung · 09-19-2011, 04:09 AM

Blue Cheer had originals, first album had 6 songs, 3 covers and 3 originals

being one of them.

Still has a sound that could be seen as proto-metal. Since yeah, Heavy Metal in it's primitive form was just a heavy form of blues rock.

I am not disputing that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements found before them into a sound that would ultimatly become the basis for Heavy Metal a short while later.. they would inspire the look, feel and lyrical content, cause lyrically Sabbath wrote darker lyrics than any of the bands mentioned...

So really it not far off if you say that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements that would become the common themes of Heavy Metal.... but the question is were they really the first to create the sound, or were they just the first to combine them all from blue prints made before them.

Sabbath did have the look, their lyrics talked about the occult, the downtuned guitars..

I guess you could say Blue Cheer, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple... they wrote the recipe, and Sabbath came along and baked the cake.

I also do not think that without Sabbath metal would not exist, I think there would have been another band who would have taken their place. Metal may be slightly different, but it would still exist today without Sabbath...

... but that is all just anyones guess... because Sabbath did happen and here we are.

Unknown Soldier · 09-19-2011, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

Blue Cheer had originals, first album had 6 songs, 3 covers and 3 originals

being one of them.

Still has a sound that could be seen as proto-metal. Since yeah, Heavy Metal in it's primitive form was just a heavy form of blues rock.

I am not disputing that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements found before them into a sound that would ultimatly become the basis for Heavy Metal a short while later.. they would inspire the look, feel and lyrical content, cause lyrically Sabbath wrote darker lyrics than any of the bands mentioned...

So really it not far off if you say that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements that would become the common themes of Heavy Metal.... but the question is were they really the first to create the sound, or were they just the first to combine them all from blue prints made before them.

Sabbath did have the look, their lyrics talked about the occult, the downtuned guitars..

I guess you could say Blue Cheer, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple... they wrote the recipe, and Sabbath came along and baked the cake.

I also do not think that without Sabbath metal would not exist, I think there would have been another band who would have taken their place. Metal may be slightly different, but it would still exist today without Sabbath...

... but that is all just anyones guess... because Sabbath did happen and here we are.

You live in Canada.....shouldn`t you be in bed at this time?

BastardofYoung · 09-19-2011, 04:13 AM

i slept all day, lol. I am going soon.

sorry mom.

Unknown Soldier · 09-19-2011, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

i slept all day, lol. I am going soon.

sorry mom.

Thats right bed!!!! And no listening to your Limp Bizkit albums!!!

BastardofYoung · 09-19-2011, 04:28 AM

fine....

.... bitch.

yeah, i am off. See how it goes. Probably be up in a few hours anyways. Have a long day of doing nothing tomorrow.

Howard the Duck · 09-19-2011, 04:33 AM

ahhhhhhhhhh! the vicissitudes of youth

09-19-2011, 04:09 AM	#65 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Blue Cheer had originals, first album had 6 songs, 3 covers and 3 originals being one of them. Still has a sound that could be seen as proto-metal. Since yeah, Heavy Metal in it's primitive form was just a heavy form of blues rock. I am not disputing that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements found before them into a sound that would ultimatly become the basis for Heavy Metal a short while later.. they would inspire the look, feel and lyrical content, cause lyrically Sabbath wrote darker lyrics than any of the bands mentioned... So really it not far off if you say that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements that would become the common themes of Heavy Metal.... but the question is were they really the first to create the sound, or were they just the first to combine them all from blue prints made before them. Sabbath did have the look, their lyrics talked about the occult, the downtuned guitars.. I guess you could say Blue Cheer, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple... they wrote the recipe, and Sabbath came along and baked the cake. I also do not think that without Sabbath metal would not exist, I think there would have been another band who would have taken their place. Metal may be slightly different, but it would still exist today without Sabbath... ... but that is all just anyones guess... because Sabbath did happen and here we are. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-19-2011, 04:13 AM	#67 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	i slept all day, lol. I am going soon. sorry mom. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-19-2011, 04:28 AM	#69 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	fine.... .... bitch. yeah, i am off. See how it goes. Probably be up in a few hours anyways. Have a long day of doing nothing tomorrow. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.