Why I hate Metallica (punk, albums, covers, quote, bands)

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by punkrawker07

i don't see the problem people make out of p2p sharing. most people will buy a cd if they like it. i have downloaded a lot of music but i still go out and buy the cds of bands i like. i have found a bunch of bands that if i didn't find it online i probably would have never even heard of. i don't see anyting wrong with it. if you only dl and never buy a cd well you probably wouldn't have bought the cd anyways even if you didn't dl music.

metallica are huge sellouts. there are differing opinions on the matter but you can't honestly tell me that they are in it for the music and not money. they put out 4 great albums and have ridden that train into the ground making mediocre music at best since then. yes they sue napster but they also went after the end users as well, their fans. i don't believe any of the fans got sued but they were banned from sites. they then produce some kind of monster which they might as well of called metallica's reality show. they are an overrated band by far and in my opinion are sellouts because they are driven by money.

Why would they be in it for the money? According to people in this thread they have so much money that they don't need any more.

punkrawker07 · 01-13-2009, 01:09 PM

lol you got a point there

Mojo · 01-13-2009, 03:57 PM

I dont agree with everything you say on this matter but I thank the Lord that you actually backed your opinion up with something.

I dont think SKOM made them sell outs. I understand a lot of people do not like the content but the idea itself I dont think makes them sell outs. Its a documentary, it happens.

St. Anger is the best example I can find if you're going to call Metallica sell outs. You could look at the content of the record as being directed towards popular trends and the aim being to capatlise on the current market? I'm not saying that is fact but theres an argument to be had there.

Some bands find themselves in sudden positions of popularity that in turn brings in a lot of money. Some bands enjoy making money. To sell out though you have to sell your principles down the river in favour of making money which is why I have never and will never agree with those who claim the whole Napster dispute makes Metallica sell outs. If you want to claim something else they have done makes them sell outs then go for it, you may have a point.

punkrawker07 · 01-13-2009, 04:53 PM

for me it's just a combination of everything they've done over the last decade that pisses me off about them. people have to many meanings for the word sell out to make a valid point as to why they are sell outs.

they went from making great albums to what, doing covers, adding a symphony, st. anger, and yet they are still held on such a high pedastal i think is what annoys me most about them. pretty much lars just pisses me off.

as far as some kind of monster. i don't know if i agree entirely with it being a documentary. i enjoy most documentaries but when you bring in a therapist to resolve issues and the whole dave mustaine thing it just reminds me of all the stupid drama in reality shows these days. in my opinion that drama should have been left out. leave that for a behind the music.

just on a side note. i don't claim to be a big metallica fan. i'm 29 so the first album i even bought of there's was the black album i think. i was more into pantera at that time as far as metal goes. i will also say that i do have all of their albums as there is at least one or two on each album that i do actually like. but i do think they are extremely overrated.

Mojo · 01-13-2009, 05:04 PM

Hmm, but Metallica had the film crew follow them around for quite a long period of time so everything that happened in that time (hiring the therapist, meeting with Mustaine) was captured on film. Its still a documentary.

Their music has certainly suffered over the years. Load was average at best, Reload was disappointing, Garage Inc was un-neccessary and St. Anger was ****. Personally I thought S&M was absolutely beautiful.

Their newer stuff may have won them a few younger fans but if Metallica are still "held on such a high pededstal" I would say its because of their older stuff really.

How would you define the term 'sell out'?

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by punkrawker07

they went from making great albums to what, doing covers, adding a symphony, st. anger, and yet they are still held on such a high pedastal i think is what annoys me most about them.

Are they really put up on a high pedestal? Everyone I talk to either thinks they haven't done anything worthwhile in about twenty years or just flat out thinks they suck.

jackhammer · 01-13-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

Hmm, but Metallica had the film crew follow them around for quite a long period of time so everything that happened in that time (hiring the therapist, meeting with Mustaine) was captured on film. Its still a documentary.

Their music has certainly suffered over the years. Load was average at best, Reload was disappointing, Garage Inc was un-neccessary and St. Anger was ****. Personally I thought S&M was absolutely beautiful.

Their newer stuff may have won them a few younger fans but if Metallica are still "held on such a high pededstal" I would say its because of their older stuff really.

How would you define the term 'sell out'?

Garage, Inc was merely a compilation of their many covers that hark back to their earliest days rehearsing and I think it's a great compilation and I don't think it was un-necessary at all. Many fans at this point of release had never even heard the B side of Creeping Death 12" for example.

I know it's not a huge point concerning the bands progress but it's an album I love TBH.

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Garage, Inc was merely a compilation of their many covers that hark back to their earliest days rehearsing and I think it's a great compilation and I don't think it was un-necessary at all. Many fans at this point of release had never even heard the B side of Creeping Death 12" for example.

I know it's not a huge point concerning the bands progress but it's an album I love TBH.

Isn't it supposed to be the follow up to Garage Days Re-Revisited?

Mojo · 01-13-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Garage, Inc was merely a compilation of their many covers that hark back to their earliest days rehearsing and I think it's a great compilation and I don't think it was un-necessary at all. Many fans at this point of release had never even heard the B side of Creeping Death 12" for example.

I know it's not a huge point concerning the bands progress but it's an album I love TBH.

Really? I guess it did offer up some of the older stuff, maybe to fans who didnt know anything pre Black album too but I guess I have a habit of delving into B sides which may explain my indifference when it comes to B sides/demo compilations.

jackhammer · 01-13-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Isn't it supposed to be the follow up to Garage Days Re-Revisited?

No. Garage Inc is an accumalation of every cover they had done until that point.

01-13-2009, 01:09 PM	#222 (permalink)
punkrawker07 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 94	lol you got a point there

01-13-2009, 03:57 PM	#223 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	I dont agree with everything you say on this matter but I thank the Lord that you actually backed your opinion up with something. I dont think SKOM made them sell outs. I understand a lot of people do not like the content but the idea itself I dont think makes them sell outs. Its a documentary, it happens. St. Anger is the best example I can find if you're going to call Metallica sell outs. You could look at the content of the record as being directed towards popular trends and the aim being to capatlise on the current market? I'm not saying that is fact but theres an argument to be had there. Some bands find themselves in sudden positions of popularity that in turn brings in a lot of money. Some bands enjoy making money. To sell out though you have to sell your principles down the river in favour of making money which is why I have never and will never agree with those who claim the whole Napster dispute makes Metallica sell outs. If you want to claim something else they have done makes them sell outs then go for it, you may have a point.

01-13-2009, 04:53 PM	#224 (permalink)
punkrawker07 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 94	for me it's just a combination of everything they've done over the last decade that pisses me off about them. people have to many meanings for the word sell out to make a valid point as to why they are sell outs. they went from making great albums to what, doing covers, adding a symphony, st. anger, and yet they are still held on such a high pedastal i think is what annoys me most about them. pretty much lars just pisses me off. as far as some kind of monster. i don't know if i agree entirely with it being a documentary. i enjoy most documentaries but when you bring in a therapist to resolve issues and the whole dave mustaine thing it just reminds me of all the stupid drama in reality shows these days. in my opinion that drama should have been left out. leave that for a behind the music. just on a side note. i don't claim to be a big metallica fan. i'm 29 so the first album i even bought of there's was the black album i think. i was more into pantera at that time as far as metal goes. i will also say that i do have all of their albums as there is at least one or two on each album that i do actually like. but i do think they are extremely overrated.

01-13-2009, 05:04 PM	#225 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Hmm, but Metallica had the film crew follow them around for quite a long period of time so everything that happened in that time (hiring the therapist, meeting with Mustaine) was captured on film. Its still a documentary. Their music has certainly suffered over the years. Load was average at best, Reload was disappointing, Garage Inc was un-neccessary and St. Anger was ****. Personally I thought S&M was absolutely beautiful. Their newer stuff may have won them a few younger fans but if Metallica are still "held on such a high pededstal" I would say its because of their older stuff really. How would you define the term 'sell out'?