Someone should use that as their sig.

boo boo with a fvcking great post.

I don't know how you can call Zep crap. I'm not even a huge fan of Zeppelin, but it's absolute ignorance to call them crap. It sounds like something a bunch of 16 year olds sitting around in a circle decide it's something they should say to be "really awesomely different and seperate us from other people, hurhurhur". It's like how some people bash America, or religion (or lack of), or other things of a controversial nature just so people will pay attention to them.

And Ethan, you have to admit that boo saying

...is really quite fvcking spot on, don't you? This is profound truth, here. I also agree with him when he said he likes you, but the opinion that you have here doesn't even sound like it's your own thought, rather, you are channeling someone else's opinion in order to make what looks like a fashionable statement. It's an elitist thing to do. How much Zep have you listened to? Instead of listening to Stairway, or Rock N Roll - please, for your own musical sakes go listen to Houses of the Holy, the entire album, without stopping - I'm sure that if we were in a car together and I turned this on without you being the wiser, you would fvcking love it.

Also... I like how Unfan posted 10 songs out of the Zep musical catalogue that are well documented case of "stealing". Stealing and Influence is such a vague line that exists in a virtual logical abyss - so I'm not going to mess with it. But I think that the rest of Zep's music speaks for itself, can anyone tell how many songs Zep pumped out? I wish we had Zep fanatic here to kick the teeth in on this argument.


Oh... Puddle of Mudd is better than Nickleback. I liked the "She Fcking Hates Me" and "Smack my Ass" song when I was in middle school or whatever... therefore it delivers some nostalgia whether or not it's good music... which is also the reason I hold a very small love for Simple Plan... as it was at one of their concerts where I met a very dear girlfriend, and now friend of mine. I have never enjoyed a single thing that Nickleback has done.... POM for the win.

Amen.

I will always like Ethan, but he and Bungalow somehow manage to turn a handful of unrelated threads into Zeppelin bashathons, which I can tollerate at least from Ethan (as opposed to Bungalow, whom I dispise alltogether) but c'mon, this is a f*cking thread about Nickelback and Puddle Of Mudd, how in the bloody hell do you turn this into a discussion about Led Zeppelin?

I know he hates them, but damn, there has to be a limit somewhere along the line.

It's always hard to like someone and not agree with them. This is true in real life and even more so on the internet - because emotions are so hard to read. I went off on Ethan in another thread because I thought he was taking a shot at me, when he was clearly joking when I looked a second time. Big3 and I got into a rather large argument once because of a similar misunderstanding.

I dont know how to take anyone here..I really dont. I dont know if I should laugh or to defend.

Same, there are several things me and Big3 agree on (prog dissing aside) but I manage to get into a lot more arguments with him than say Urban, whom I don't agree with on anything.

I know very well that on a internet forum no one is going to agree with me 100%, so getting into heated arguments over ones personal taste is pointless, but it's hard not to get into an argument over more personal or philosophical reasons.

Thats not my fault , everytime I say I hate something you come along & say you like it.

I mean f*ck , I thought I was on safe ground when I said Paul McCartney & Wings are the most irritating smuggest band in the world.I thought I was mearly stating the obvious.

:laughing:

Thats not arguing though, we just have the opposite opinions on most things.

Emo is so not cliche, ignoring the mtv bullshit. <.<

I disagree.

Regardless of the original intentions of the movement, which I'm sure were humble intentions at best, Emo today has become a very fashionable thing, so in retrospect it surely has become a cliche, possibly even more than Grunge was after Nirvana's success.

Now you can say most modern emo bands are not "true emo" but regardless of what you feel true emo is, they were influenced by early emo bands, so in some way or another they are emo weither you want to accept them as that or not, but of course many don't want to call them emo because they don't "look" or "act" emo or "they are trying to commercialize emo thus they are not emo" or whatever.

They are hardly influenced by emo, the only bond they share is the screaming which is just as much a punk/hardcore thing.

I highly doubt that.

If you took the time to check into the profiles of modern emo bands whom you dislike, you would certainly find a lot of the so called "true" emo bands being cited by them as influences.

The majority of bands do that for cred, From First To Last says Nirvana is their biggest influence. They sound nothing like nirvana in any aspect.

If you have no factual basis for this than I suggest you put up or shut up.

And besides, it IS possible to be influenced by an artist without sounding like that artist, for example, Tool claim King Crimson to be their greatest influence, even though they don't really sound like King Crimson at all, that dosen't mean it's not true.

My factual basis: the majority of these bands consider the Used founders of emo and a bunch have said so.

Most of them sound like blink 182 with screaming, they don't play anything resembling emo. Shit, look at Paramore they sound exactly like Avril Lavigne.

I have never heard anyone credit The Used as founders of Emo. :laughing:

But my thesis stands, if you have a whole bunch of influences which a lot of modern "untrue" emo bands probably do, then of course they are not going to sound like one artist in paticular.

But oh well, lets say the new stuff isn't "true" emo but merely a sub genre of emo, it's still related to emo.

It soo isn't.


ITS POP GODDAMNIT

Pop isn't even a genre.

Any band of any genre can be considered pop, it's a term that has been applied to everyone from The Beatles to The Residents to NSYNC, you can be pop and still be something else.

And yeah I have, it's a toughie, afterwards you have to fight Sonic and the GUN commander whos in this giant robot thing, took me a while to beat him.

But the Space Colony Ark level is the most fustrating level I have played so far, thats where I am currently.

Okay, its catchy as hell and sounds like avril lavigne.

:laughing: Easy, Mudd sucks more, but they both suck it just so happens that mudd is just a lil more sucky than nickleback.....omg, could you imagine if they formed one band together?

POM>>>>>Nickleback

Anything >>>> Puddle of Mudd.

Even if it's Nickleback.

Ppuddle of mudd sucks.A lot

Well yah, both of them suck but Nickelback is just boring as someone else said up there...and Puddle of Mudd has had what, one hit?

Has anyone actually compared Korns new and old guitarist yet, i did it today on youtube, t'is rather funny, just look up the cnn news report on the old guitarist part 1 and 2 and then type in drunk munky...you'll see what i mean.

i like both bands, i dont see how anyone could say they suck, Nickelback has had many good hits, and POM has had a few good ones, Drift And Die, Blurry, She Hates Me. unless you like thier style of music you are going to say they suck

Someone sucks more than nickleback?
I mean, They both suck!

I think Nickelback are far, far worse. Puddle Of Mudd have an extremely bad name (sounds like a band from a Terry Pratchett book or something... I hate Terry Pratchett) but beyond that it just sounds like a reasonably bland pub rock band who probably heard Nirvana about 10 years before, formed a band to sound like Nirvana but then forgot what Nirvana sounded like along the way. I don't want to listen to them, but I don't want to kill them either.

Nickelback I want to kill, quickly and silently because if Chap Krapsingers dying groans are anything like his singing I'd prefer not to witness them.

A little random but I'm checking it out...will I piss my pants laughing or what?

I call it a tie

Hits have nothing to do with how good music is......


Second of all I hate both just like I hate most grunge. I am tired of all these unoriginal mainstream bands.

Who are you calling grunge? And I bet you really haven't listened to any real grunge bands, I also bet your going on Alice In Chains, Nirvana and Soundgarden to decide what grunge is and if you like it.

Well they did help start grunge did they not? Nirvana is the only grunge band I will listen to. As far as I know Nickelback is grunge and POM is grunge or post-grunge.

Nickelback is post-grunge and POM falls in neither of the two just a regular crappy band. AIC, Soundgarden and Nirvana started the mainstream of grunge but for the actual makeing of the genre no.

Pom is definately grunge. The only other place you could put POM in would be Alt rock if not grunge. Their sound, however, is heavilly influenced by other grunge artists and their work shows it.

uh......hits must have somthing to do with how good the music is, if they dont get hits then consider them a sucky band. otherwise i dont see how they can be conisdered crappy.

Nickelback is more of a pop-rock kinda band more than a grunge band in my opinion

So Brittney spears isn't sucky, but Sigur Ros is?

to someone no she aint, its a matter of taste and personality and opinion. its just the same as me saying the Beatles suck, i hate em, but that doesnt mean they suck

Did you just compare the Beatles to Brittney spears?