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eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 02:37 AM

Maiden or Priest
 
Ok I was just wondering what you guys thought about this. Judas PRiest once got a bit p*ssed with Iron Maiden whilst Maiden were supporting them on tour. The boys from Priest complained that Maiden had stolen their sound and the two bands were almost the same (musically).

So which way would you choose, this isn't going on talent or song writing ability or anything, just a simple sorta see the two make a choice on instinct type poll...

Highway_Star 06-09-2005 07:13 AM

Oooooh tricky!

Would have to go with Maiden - cos they were the first metal band I really started buying - oooh remember those big black discs, kids? ;)

Tough choice though. Wouldn't say they that similar though really...

:D

eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 08:30 AM

I would, but compare the early maiden more. In recent years they have gone all 'epic' on us!!

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 11:13 AM

Run To The Hills makes this an easy desicion, well, that and Eddie Maiden

http://www.iron-maiden.ru/photos/eddie/85eddie01.jpg

adidasss 06-09-2005 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
Run To The Hills makes this an easy desicion, well, that and Eddie Maiden

are you saying you like the song run to the hills?

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 11:19 AM

yes. I like the "galloping" bass line.

adidasss 06-09-2005 11:27 AM

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yes. I like the "galloping" bass line.

damn....damn damn damn......and damn once again
explanation : that song is one of the reasons why i laugh at people who listen to maiden, for you see, that song to me represents the epitome of lameness, the lameness of 80's rock....the lamest music genre that ever existed, created in an era that should be surgically removed from everyone's memory....

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss
that song to me represents the epitome of lameness, the lameness of 80's rock....the lamest music genre that ever existed, created in an era that should be surgically removed from everyone's memory....

I thought that would be Breaking the Law?

adidasss 06-09-2005 11:54 AM

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I thought that would be Breaking the Law?

you mean to say listening to 80's rock would be braking the law? one day my friend...one day...:)

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 12:26 PM

80s rockers were far more talented then most musicians who are big today.

(and i meant that Judas Priest - Breaking the Law represents the epitome of lameness compared to Iron Maidens - Run to the Hills) but im pretty sure you understood.

adidasss 06-09-2005 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
80s rockers were far more talented then most musicians who are big today.

i beg to differ....

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(and i meant that Judas Priest - Breaking the Law represents the epitome of lameness compared to Iron Maidens - Run to the Hills) but im pretty sure you understood.

no acctualy, i didn't understand...i thought you understood that i'd rather be eaten alive by piranhas then listen to 80's rock, so no, i'm not familiar with judas priest's discography....

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 12:55 PM

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i beg to differ....

well quit yer beggin and differ already!

Steve Vai, Randy Rhodes, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Eddie Van Halen, Jake E. Lee, Warren Dimartini...the list goes on and on and these are just a few guitarists that were rockin in the 80s. No band out today plays with the technical abilities of these guys (with a few exceptions VERY few). Nirvana and grunge i believe killed the idea that you had to be extremely talented to be a successful musician.

adidasss 06-09-2005 01:01 PM

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well quit yer beggin and differ already!

Steve Vai, Randy Rhodes, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Eddie Van Halen, Jake E. Lee, Warren Dimartini....

is this list supposed to prove your point, you've just named the most sleasy and generic guitarists the world has ever seen...damn dude steve vai??, just because they have the techique down don't mean they make good music...
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Nirvana and grunge i believe killed the idea that you had to be extremely talented to be a successful musician.

ooooohohohoho....well now it's getting ugly!!!nirvana and kurt cobain have more talent in their little finger then any of the forementioned musitians....
van halen ....HA!!

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss
is this list supposed to prove your point, you've just named the most sleasy and generic guitarists the world has ever seen...damn dude steve vai??, just because they have the techique down don't mean they make good music...

sleasy=80s=talent - it all goes hand in hand
my point being their all technical guitarists, and there arent many out today that could outplay them. As far as "good" music, well thats just a matter of taste and opinions.



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Originally Posted by adidasss
ooooohohohoho....well now it's getting ugly!!!nirvana and kurt cobain have more talent in their little finger then any of the forementioned musitians....
van halen ....HA!!

if by talent you mean basic 4 chord rythems and out of key vocals, then ok, you got me there. Eddy Van Halen could play circles around Kurt with one armed tied behind his back while doing cartwheels in a pool of spoiling pudding.

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 01:59 PM

Iron Maiden kicks MUCH A$$ !!!!!!!!! :ar_15s:

adidasss 06-09-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
Iron Maiden kicks MUCH A$$ !!!!!!!!! :ar_15s:

now that's just sad...but i can understand you...you acctualy had to go through the 80's....sorry about that, i wouldn't wish that upon anyone...

adidasss 06-09-2005 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenixpunk
if by talent you mean basic 4 chord rythems and out of key vocals, then ok, you got me there. Eddy Van Halen could play circles around Kurt with one armed tied behind his back while doing cartwheels in a pool of spoiling pudding.

ohoho....you want a piece of me don't ya?! c'mon bitch!!!bring it!!!

but seriously, i can't believe you think van halen's better then nirvana...what has this world come to.....why God?! why did the 80's have to happen?!WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 02:16 PM

Wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. When's the last time you saw a girl flash her breasts at a Coldplay concert?

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 02:17 PM

whoa slow down there speedy, i said Eddy Van Halen is a more talented guitarist than Kurt Cobain.

adidasss 06-09-2005 02:20 PM

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whoa slow down there speedy, i said Eddy Van Halen is a more talented guitarist than Kurt Cobain.

oh..ok, but not a more talented songwriter right....*please say yes, please say yes*

adidasss 06-09-2005 02:22 PM

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Wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. When's the last time you saw a girl flash her breasts at a Coldplay concert?

hmmm...not even that could redeem the black hole of human cultural development that is the 80's....

Fenixpunk 06-09-2005 02:27 PM

i dont think Eddy Van Halen was a songwriter, so i guess ill agree to an extent.

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 02:37 PM

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hmmm...not even that could redeem the black hole of human cultural development that is the 80's....

The 80's was a much needed whoopee cushion placed beneath the a$$ of cultural development.

adidasss 06-09-2005 02:41 PM

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The 80's was a much needed whoopee cushion placed beneath the a$$ of cultural development.

i'm sorry, you'll have to explain that...didn't get the metaphor...

eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
The 80's was a much needed whoopee cushion placed beneath the a$$ of cultural development.


I like the cut of your jib!!! But we are skimming over Bryan Adams here right?! (please ignore the song I was listening to on my first post in this thread)

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 02:44 PM

We are certainly LEAPING over Bryan Adams here.

eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 02:49 PM

hehehe! So Maiden or Priest??

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
Iron Maiden kicks MUCH A$$ !!!!!!!!! :ar_15s:

I think my preference is obvious. I also like JP, but if you're still refering to JP's accusation of Iron Maiden stealing their sound I think that's crazy. It was probably attributed to the fact that at that time the two bands were heavily utilizing the double guitar lead tecnique ( a melody being played synchronously on 2 guitars with one guitar playing the higher or lower octave) Judas priest utilized this technique, but Iron Maiden Mastered it. Maiden owned preist in the areas of technical proficiency, vocal skill, and definitely song writing and lyrical subject matter. A lot of people don't realiz that the majority of Iron maiden's song lyrics consisted of historical and political themes, which was exceptionally rare for a metal band in the 80's. As a bonus Steve Harris, Iron Maiden's Bass player is one of the best and most underrated masters of the instrument.

eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
I think that's crazy. It was probably attributed to the fact that at that time the two bands were heavily utilizing the double guitar lead tecnique ( a melody being played synchronously on 2 guitars with one guitar playing the higher or lower octave)

Harmony ;)

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by eviljoker7075
Harmony ;)

Well, no. For a harmony to technically excist the variable interval cannot be an octave. It is a dual melody.

eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 03:17 PM

aha not so! A harmony is just two notes that are played together!

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 03:27 PM

OK OK you're right !!!! I don't want to turn an 80's metal thread into an anal retentive debate over music theory.

adidasss 06-09-2005 03:30 PM

A-HA! you got cought and now you wanna end the conversation....HA!
but please let's talk more about 80's rock....

eviljoker7075 06-09-2005 03:30 PM

yay!!! lol!

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss
A-HA! you got cought and now you wanna end the conversation

Not true

adidasss 06-09-2005 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
Not true

is so!

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 03:48 PM

ARRRGH. OK, last post on this. A double lead is a phrase that refers to a specific guitar playing technique which I described in my lengthy post. It is by dictionary definitions a harmony in the sense that it is two or more notes played simultaneously, but in the conventional sense it isn't, because a new (3rd) harmonic is not created in the combination of the root with the octave.

adidasss 06-09-2005 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
ARRRGH. OK, last post on this. A double lead is a phrase that refers to a specific guitar playing technique which I described in my lengthy post. It is by dictionary definitions a harmony in the sense that it is two or more notes played simultaneously, but in the conventional sense it isn't, because a new (3rd) harmonic is not created in the combination of the root with the octave.

say what? :rofl: ...man, i crack myself up sometimes....i was hoping we were gonna go " yah...na-ah...yah....na-ah!" for a while but you're obviously not game....:)

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 03:57 PM

Too much pride for that. Even when I'm wrong I have to be right.

SATCHMO 06-09-2005 04:06 PM

Anyhow my favorite Iron Maiden album is Powerslave. Dig the 10+ minute version of Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. As far as Judas Preist goes you just cannoty beat Screaming For Vengeance.


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