Mondo Bungle

He's up there for me, but Chris Reifert takes the cake. Who also happens to be just about my favorite extreme metal drummer.

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Machine

Jeezus, he tried to escape prison? Low-security prision?

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boost my ego

listen to me stroke my delay pedal

ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither.

The Batlord

I imagine a lot of low income housing is probably worse than low security prison in Norway.

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Machine

That's what I was thinking.

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boost my ego

listen to me stroke my delay pedal

ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither.

The Batlord

So who's up for committing multiple homicide in Norway? We can meet up with Briks and have haddock. Before the murder of course.

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Isbjørn

Aye, you're right, that guy's good. Might have to look into Autopsy. But Varg's vocal performance in this song is something on its own:



Who sings like that?

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Oriphiel

Oh look. Sexism. How quaint.

The Batlord

Well, he believed in old school, pre-modern living, so old school gender roles just kind of goes along with that. Of course, he's almost certainly a sociopath, and for whatever reason male sociopaths tend to be misogynists, I guess because they resent the sexual power women have over men, or they just think they're better than everyone, and they seize on any differences that they can exploit to justify their superiority. I wonder if sociopaths are generally racists too. I don't remember if Ted Bundy was supposed to be racist, but I'd be curious to know.

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Chula Vista

Wasn't mentioned in the book I read about him.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

The Batlord

Was it the one by Ann Rule? I loved how she told stories about knowing him. It's easy to see a lot of these people as just a list of all their terrible acts, and guesswork psychology, but hearing about him working working with her at a suicide hotline where he seemed dedicated to legitimately stopping people from killing themselves raised real questions about the nature of serial killer mentality.

Did he care about helping people? Was it a way to balance out his "sins"? Was it just a cover to make him look like a good person? Did he get off on trying to get control over the mind of someone in such a fragile mental state? Was it just a lark? Clearly he was a monster, but it's also good to try to see these people as a full person and not just the sum total of their crimes.

I'm conflicted over the death penalty in general, but I definitely think that someone with such an aberrant psychology would provide more worth to society by studying them than by just executing them. I think that anyone who is so obviously disturbed as Bundy or Dahmer should be placed in an institution, not as a way to rehabilitate them---which is by all accounts impossible---but to study them scientifically: in-depth therapy to record their thought processes and life experiences, noninvasive medical procedures like MRIs to detect brain aberrations, possible etc.

Keep them locked away for life in the same way as a prison, but try to use what would otherwise be a waste of a learning opportunity in order to benefit mankind. Even if they can't be helped, we might learn things to help diagnose them, treat them, deal with them, recognize the symptoms in children and hopefully reverse their abnormal psychology from progressing further, etc. It might not yield immediate results, but this approach might help future generations in the long-term.

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