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Old 01-17-2015, 08:13 PM   #251 (permalink)
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I came very close to being aborted. I often wonder where I'd be now if my mother had made that decision. It haunts me.

That's why I'm pro-life.
I certainly don't dismiss this POV like a lot of pro-choice people do---I think they just don't like letting uncertainty into their viewpoint---but ultimately, no matter how grey the debate, it's a binary issue. Just like you either are pregnant or not, you can't kind of abort, so, in the end it boils down to whether it's preferable to restrict the rights of an actual person or a fetus that doesn't even qualify as being technically alive. So I'm pro-choice.

When a fetus is developed enough to warrant having rights is open to interpretation, but abortion itself still a yes/no proposition.
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Old 01-17-2015, 08:15 PM   #252 (permalink)
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It's just something that I can't put into words. My logical side says what you just pointed out, but there's an emotional nerve ending there for me. I can't explain it.
My mom, who was born in 1930, was gay her whole life. If not for family and peer pressure, which forced her into trying a "normal" marriage, I wouldn't be here. She and my dad divorced when I was 2.

I kinda get how you feel.
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Old 01-17-2015, 08:18 PM   #253 (permalink)
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I'm 100% pro-abortion but pro-choice people who try to pretend the fetus isn't even alive crack me up.

If it weren't alive you wouldn't have to kill it to stop it from growing.
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Old 01-17-2015, 08:21 PM   #254 (permalink)
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I'm 100% pro-abortion but pro-choice people who try to pretend the fetus isn't even alive crack me up.

If it weren't alive you wouldn't have to kill it to stop it from growing.
So's an amoeba. The concept of life is overrated.
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Fine.

I didn't say it's a life with any value.
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Again, it isn't life to me unless it has consciousness.
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Old 01-18-2015, 05:34 AM   #257 (permalink)
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I did, but does it matter at this point?
Not really, I just wondered.
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Old 01-18-2015, 06:44 AM   #258 (permalink)
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Again, it isn't life to me unless it has consciousness.
How do you define consciousness?
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Is there no brain or nervous system yet developed? I really don't know.
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How do you define consciousness?
Being aware? I've never met anyone who has memories of being in the womb.
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