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The Batlord · 03-30-2016, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I hear grunge everytime I plzy it. Not post-grunge. If you think my ears are numb, keep in mind I'd logically have a better idea of grunge than you. I'm just not generally good at explaining sound.

Well by all means, hold up your little blog or whatever as proof of your superior knowledge, but don't expect me to give a ****. I think I'm done talking in circles with you if you're going to make appeals to YOUR OWN authority. Seriously, who does that?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 03-30-2016, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Well by all means, hold up your little blog or whatever as proof of your superior knowledge, but don't expect me to give a ****. I think I'm done talking in circles with you if you're going to make appeals to YOUR OWN authority. Seriously, who does that?

Well I mean when Grunge is literally in your name.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 06:37 PM

I wasn't trying to appeal to my own authority, nor did I mean to come off as pretentious. But to be fair, you were on the verge of a snappy comeback judging by your rising agitation in each post. So it was partially trolling. That last part was to get ahead of you making a rude remark and then turning this into a sarcasm fest. Although Plus, it did seem like you were challenging the world and die-hard grunge fans with the last post.

I'm just saying, I don't mind being corrected on something. But your last post seemed to truly challenge my opinion on my favorite genre. And although I'm always up for opinion, I know your desire for trolling. So I apologize for angering you. I was just stepping ahead before I became the victim, trying to change the course of conversation.

The Batlord · 03-30-2016, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

Well I mean when Grunge is literally in your name.

All hail my unrivaled knowledge of all things Chiroptera!

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I wasn't trying to appeal to my own authority, nor did I mean to come off as pretentious. But to be fair, you were on the verge of a snappy comeback judging by your rising agitation in each post. So it was partially trolling. That last part was to get ahead of you making a rude remark and then turning this into a sarcasm fest. Although Plus, it did seem like you were challenging the world and die-hard grunge fans with the last post.

I'm just saying, I don't mind being corrected on something. But your last post seemed to truly challenge my opinion on my favorite genre. And although I'm always up for opinion, I know your desire for trolling. So I apologize for angering you. I was just stepping ahead before I became the victim, trying to change the course of conversation.

Not angry, just kind of exasperated. And I was challenging your opinion. That's what disagreeing is. I think you're wrong, you think I'm wrong, so we come together and tell each other why they're wrong until one of us gives up out of boredom or a need for sleep, and then the other declares victory. So I guess you win.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 06:57 PM

I suppose opinion was the wrong word. By claiming the media called them grunge, you implied that grunge fans such as myself only call it grunge because the media said so. As if we were sheep. I don't bang my head on rocks to get flies out like a sheep, I bang my head to rock music from Seattle, and I can easily determine the grunge sound. I never said I disapprove of disagreeing. Debating is educational yo me. But don't assume I'm calling it grunge based on the media. There are plenty of "grunge" albums I don't consider grunge, and non-grunge albums that I do. Am I wrong? Maybe. But I have a very good idea of what to look for based on the 170 albums I've heard.

You have heard more metal than I've heard grunge, so you'd logically be more educated in metal. But since I rarely hear you talk about grunge, I assu e you might have 't heard around 100. heard around 30-50 albums

**Frownland** · 03-30-2016, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I suppose opinion was the wrong word. By claiming the media called them grunge, you implied that grunge fans such as myself only call it grunge because the media said so. As if we were sheep. I don't bang my head on rocks to get flies out like a sheep, I bang my head to rock music from Seattle, and I can easily determine the grunge sound. I never said I disapprove of disagreeing. Debating is educational yo me. But don't assume I'm calling it grunge based on the media. There are plenty of "grunge" albums I don't consider grunge, and non-grunge albums that I do. Am I wrong? Maybe. But I have a very good idea of what to look for based on the 170 albums I've heard.

You have heard more metal than I've heard grunge, so you'd logically be more educated in metal. But since I rarely hear you talk about grunge, I assu e you might have 't heard around 100. heard around 30-50 albums

Yiu raise a good. Poi nt.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 07:05 PM

Damn. This mobile thing's hard to work with.

Tristan_Geoff · 03-30-2016, 08:56 PM

God, I kind of find grunge to be a stupid term anyways. I mean, 80's groups like Green River, Tad, and early Soundgarden were definitely within the same genre, but after that... well you tell me how many similarities there are between Mudhoney, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden.

Punk and metal influence? Check.

Dirty distorted guitars? Check.

Other than that? Not much. Soundgarden sounded mostly like proto-stoner metal, Alice in Chains was like a more radio friendly version of Melvins, Pearl Jam doesn't sound anything like these bands, I guess they land more in college rock territory, and then Nirvana had more of a punk inflence than anything. I really don't hear any metal in them at all.

Needless to say, grunge was more of a short-lived trendy marketing term than anything.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 09:29 PM

The thing that connected them was the specific kind of angst. Like many genres, grunge was actually quite experimental. A simple grunge song would be Lithium, not really alternative or punky. Now put grunge with a heavier alternative sound and you get PearlmJam. Put it with garage rock, Mudhoney. Punk, Green River. Glam rock, Mother Love Bone. Heavy Metal/Hard Rock, Soundgarden. Psychedelic, Screaming Trees.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 09:32 PM

Major elements were raspy riffs, punk, metal, and alternative influence, lazy vocal delivery, hard drumming, and the angst effect that was specifically relatable to the anger of youths. But some of these can be traded to experiment with the sound EXCEPT for the teen anger. Without that, it's not grunge. And of course, many of these need to stay to truely retain the sound, but switching out a couple is experimentation.

03-30-2016, 06:37 PM	#53 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I wasn't trying to appeal to my own authority, nor did I mean to come off as pretentious. But to be fair, you were on the verge of a snappy comeback judging by your rising agitation in each post. So it was partially trolling. That last part was to get ahead of you making a rude remark and then turning this into a sarcasm fest. Although Plus, it did seem like you were challenging the world and die-hard grunge fans with the last post. I'm just saying, I don't mind being corrected on something. But your last post seemed to truly challenge my opinion on my favorite genre. And although I'm always up for opinion, I know your desire for trolling. So I apologize for angering you. I was just stepping ahead before I became the victim, trying to change the course of conversation. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-30-2016, 06:57 PM	#55 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I suppose opinion was the wrong word. By claiming the media called them grunge, you implied that grunge fans such as myself only call it grunge because the media said so. As if we were sheep. I don't bang my head on rocks to get flies out like a sheep, I bang my head to rock music from Seattle, and I can easily determine the grunge sound. I never said I disapprove of disagreeing. Debating is educational yo me. But don't assume I'm calling it grunge based on the media. There are plenty of "grunge" albums I don't consider grunge, and non-grunge albums that I do. Am I wrong? Maybe. But I have a very good idea of what to look for based on the 170 albums I've heard. You have heard more metal than I've heard grunge, so you'd logically be more educated in metal. But since I rarely hear you talk about grunge, I assu e you might have 't heard around 100. heard around 30-50 albums __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-30-2016, 07:05 PM	#57 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Damn. This mobile thing's hard to work with. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-30-2016, 09:29 PM	#59 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	The thing that connected them was the specific kind of angst. Like many genres, grunge was actually quite experimental. A simple grunge song would be Lithium, not really alternative or punky. Now put grunge with a heavier alternative sound and you get PearlmJam. Put it with garage rock, Mudhoney. Punk, Green River. Glam rock, Mother Love Bone. Heavy Metal/Hard Rock, Soundgarden. Psychedelic, Screaming Trees. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-30-2016, 09:32 PM	#60 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Major elements were raspy riffs, punk, metal, and alternative influence, lazy vocal delivery, hard drumming, and the angst effect that was specifically relatable to the anger of youths. But some of these can be traded to experiment with the sound EXCEPT for the teen anger. Without that, it's not grunge. And of course, many of these need to stay to truely retain the sound, but switching out a couple is experimentation. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.