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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-23-2016, 02:02 PM

I once saw Lulu in a record store for $50, is it because that many people want to own it ironically or am I missing something?

**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 02:03 PM

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I once saw Lulu in a record store for $50, is it because that many people want to own it ironically or am I missing something?

Before or after Lou Reed's death?

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 02:04 PM

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When I say good production, I mean the production that best suits the music so it could either be lofi or hifi. I don't think they've ever achieved quality in that aspect tbh.

I usually love their production.

I like the production on And Justice for All, too, although I wouldn't have minded the bass being turned up a bit in the mix. However, that album has such a unique sound to it that adds a lot to the tunes.

My production philosophy is basically that production should be approached as "its own instrument." Kind of like coming up with interesting synthesizer patches that have a lot of musical value. I'm not at all fond of approaches that approach production in a more "clinical" way, where everything has to be at certain standard, relative levels in the mix, EQ'ed in typical ways, be necessarily "clean"-sounding, etc. Producers should experiment with timbres and tackle each project with a clean slate, where they're forgetting about norms and focusing on creating interesting sounds that serve as an additional artistic element shaping the whole.

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 02:07 PM

What I always found weird about Lulu was all of the Lou Reed fans who were dissing it.

I could understand people who were pretty exclusively rock/metal/Metallica-type fans having problems parsing it, but Lou Reed fans shouldn't have been so shocked by anything he did. After all, it's not like Reed hasn't done a bunch of experimental, outside stuff and/or made a bunch of unexpected moves in his career.

**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

My production philosophy is basically that production should be approached as "its own instrument" basically. Kind of like coming up with interesting synthesizer patches that have a lot of musical value. I'm not at all fond of approaches that approach production in a more "clinical" way, where everything has to be at certain standard, relative levels in the mix, EQ'ed in typical ways, be necessarily "clean"-sounding, etc. Producers should experiment with timbres and tackle each project with a clean slate, where they're forgetting about norms and focusing on creating interesting sounds that serve as an additional artistic element shaping the whole.

I agree on this 100%.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-23-2016, 02:09 PM

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Before or after Lou Reed's death?

Ahhh, after. Didn't even really think about that.

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 02:17 PM

<Lou Reed fan listening to Lulu:> "Gah! My ears! That's way too weird, raucous, 'arty,' chaotic . . ."

<puts on "Sister Ray" followed by Berlin, The Blue Mask, The Bells, The Raven, a bootleg recording of Lou with Laurie Anderson and John Zorn, and tops it off with Metal Machine Music>

Norg · 08-23-2016, 02:17 PM

boring same ol ****

I give the song credit tho it could make for a good workout tune ....... meh

but man lars is like the worst drummer ever hes not creative at all neither are the guitars much these days either but when u combine that with lars its like ...ughhhhhhh

**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 02:18 PM

It sounded like people trying to experiment with ideas that they don't have yet.

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 02:39 PM

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boring same ol ****

I give the song credit tho it could make for a good workout tune ....... meh

but man lars is like the worst drummer ever hes not creative at all neither are the guitars much these days either but when u combine that with lars its like ...ughhhhhhh

I like Lars' drumming a lot normally, and sometimes he's one of my favorites. It seems ridiculous to me to say that his work on an album like And Justice for All isn't creative. He's like the Ringo Starr of metal on that album (which is a good thing; Ringo was a fantastic drummer, with a very unusual approach). Unless you're just talking about the tune I posted from the new album.

08-23-2016, 02:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	It sounded like people trying to experiment with ideas that they don't have yet. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-23-2016, 02:07 PM	#24 (permalink)
Terrapin_Station Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NYC Man Posts: 877	What I always found weird about Lulu was all of the Lou Reed fans who were dissing it. I could understand people who were pretty exclusively rock/metal/Metallica-type fans having problems parsing it, but Lou Reed fans shouldn't have been so shocked by anything he did. After all, it's not like Reed hasn't done a bunch of experimental, outside stuff and/or made a bunch of unexpected moves in his career.

08-23-2016, 02:17 PM	#27 (permalink)
Terrapin_Station Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NYC Man Posts: 877	<Lou Reed fan listening to Lulu:> "Gah! My ears! That's way too weird, raucous, 'arty,' chaotic . . ." <puts on "Sister Ray" followed by Berlin, The Blue Mask, The Bells, The Raven, a bootleg recording of Lou with Laurie Anderson and John Zorn, and tops it off with Metal Machine Music>

08-23-2016, 02:17 PM	#28 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,344	boring same ol **** I give the song credit tho it could make for a good workout tune ....... meh but man lars is like the worst drummer ever hes not creative at all neither are the guitars much these days either but when u combine that with lars its like ...ughhhhhhh