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Old 06-11-2019, 12:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, it's nice to see some more members adding something to this thread. Is it just happenstance or is it because Pixies are a band that generate more response? Looks like the latter to me: popular bands get overplayed or over-rated and then comes a resentful backlash....
For the most part none of that. I don't know how popular Pixies were. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I haven't heard so much of them on radio or wherever else (like at the shopping mall) to say they were overplayed.

If certain fans want to laud their bands like they're rooting for their football team than that is their prerogative. If I poke a little fun at that don't peg me as being "resentful."
(Your mockery of Pixies is so resentful.)

If a band gets over-rated then the over-raters are oblivious fans fanatical about their favorite bands obliviously. It's possible for people to disagrees with the over-rating without it coming down to "backlashing."

If I picked seven bands and seven songs, and they weren't to your liking, I wouldn't consider it backlashing.
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One could create an equally convincing argument that The Pixies borrowed from the Minutemen and bands from the same era just like some argue that Kurt took from the Pixies.

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No. It was to do with who is doing the influencing on bands e.g. like Nirvana: Pixies or other Post-Punk, and Hardcore bands. If you're under the belief that Pixies was an all influencing band, then fine that is your opinion. Just don't dismiss that there were other bands before them that could have been also influential.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:18 AM   #32 (permalink)
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If you're under the belief that Pixies was an all influencing band, then fine that is your opinion. Just don't dismiss that there were other bands before them that could have been also influential.
Whoa. Chill dude. I don’t think The Pixies were the only influential band ever. I was just clarifying.

Yeah, The Minutemen were darlings of the early SST days. Everybody loved them. If I had to guess which SST band most greatly influenced The Pixies I’d say Husker Du. The Meat Puppets obviously influenced Nirvana (plus the Minutemen, Pavement, and Lou Barlow).

Anyway, I don’t have any problem with you spreading some love around for The Minutemen. They deserve it. I kind of think they’re underrated right now but that’s just a phase. They have a permanent place in rock’n’roll history and in a few years everyone will be tripping all over themselves to be their biggest fans again.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:10 AM   #33 (permalink)
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For the most part none of that. I don't know how popular Pixies were. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I haven't heard so much of them on radio or wherever else (like at the shopping mall) to say they were overplayed.

If certain fans want to laud their bands like they're rooting for their football team than that is their prerogative. If I poke a little fun at that don't peg me as being "resentful."
(Your mockery of Pixies is so resentful.)

If a band gets over-rated then the over-raters are oblivious fans fanatical about their favorite bands obliviously. It's possible for people to disagrees with the over-rating without it coming down to "backlashing."

If I picked seven bands and seven songs, and they weren't to your liking, I wouldn't consider it backlashing.


No. It was to do with who is doing the influencing on bands e.g. like Nirvana: Pixies or other Post-Punk, and Hardcore bands. If you're under the belief that Pixies was an all influencing band, then fine that is your opinion. Just don't dismiss that there were other bands before them that could have been also influential.
^ Sorry Neapolitan ! I realise now that it looks that way on the page, but I wasn't particularly thinking of your comment when I talked about "resentful backlash". I was thinking in general terms about what happens with over-hyped bands. To me, "backlash" is not even a critical word to be using, but "resentful" is unkinder than it should've been. I wish now I had written, "Popular bands get over-played or over-rated and then comes an inevitable re-adjustment."

As regards "poking a little fun" at an artist - yes, I love to do that all the time. Again, I didn't intend to brand you as "resentful" or complain that you were writing something negative about The Pixies; I hope I'm not that hypocritical, especially when, as you point out, I'd done it myself a couple of posts earlier.

And just for the record: my policy on MB is to be polite to fellow members, but to have the right to say unkind things about artists' public-domain material. IMO that is a price they have to pay for taking their songs to the market place. So please, Neapolitan or anyone else, continue to chip in with opinions; from the scathing or the idolatrous, they are all welcome as far as I'm concerned. After all, sharing opinions is exactly what MB is here for !
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Whoa. Chill dude. I don’t think The Pixies were the only influential band ever. I was just clarifying.
I didn't say 'OccultHawk, your under the belief ...' I said 'If you're under the belief ...' it's like saying "If youz are under the belief ..." or "If one is under the belief ..." It was a "generic you" - not that you are generic.
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Song #5: Guided By Voices - Back to the Lake (2002)



Previous songs so far have been from the 80s/90s, so this is ten years more modern, although ironically, it sounds to me as if it could have come from the 70s.

This is a well-crafted pop/rock song built up from a strong, gets-under-your-skin riff which makes it very catchy. I liked it for the two listens I've given it, but tbh (as with pop/rock from the 70s) I don't think it would maintain my interest for long.
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I can't stand the Pixies. Not after Black Francis' over-the-top fanboyism antics.

Yeah, Black Francis of the Pixies was bigger fame-wise, but D. Boon was bigger weight-wise. D. Boon never got as big as Black Francis fame-wise though Black Francis tried to get bigger than D. Boon weight-wise, but failed. Anyway D. Boon was way cooler and aint nothin' can take that away from him.

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Probably none, or none I can articulate. It's not so much a comparison, as it is to prove a point. Well it basically come down to all I hear about is how everybody imitates the Pixies: Nirvana ... or whoever ... maybe every other 90s alt-Rock band ... etc etc. Well look at who's imitating who. Black Francis has literally stolen D Boon's look.


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For the most part none of that. I don't know how popular Pixies were. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I haven't heard so much of them on radio or wherever else (like at the shopping mall) to say they were overplayed.

If certain fans want to laud their bands like they're rooting for their football team than that is their prerogative. If I poke a little fun at that don't peg me as being "resentful."
(Your mockery of Pixies is so resentful.)

If a band gets over-rated then the over-raters are oblivious fans fanatical about their favorite bands obliviously. It's possible for people to disagrees with the over-rating without it coming down to "backlashing."

If I picked seven bands and seven songs, and they weren't to your liking, I wouldn't consider it backlashing.


No. It was to do with who is doing the influencing on bands e.g. like Nirvana: Pixies or other Post-Punk, and Hardcore bands. If you're under the belief that Pixies was an all influencing band, then fine that is your opinion. Just don't dismiss that there were other bands before them that could have been also influential.
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^ Not a bad song at all; it rocks, it's got a nice melody in there too, but also it's nothing outstanding imo.
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I love the start of this song and the slow, deconstructed sound of the instruments. It's from 1985 but is the most musically adventurous song so far; for me it's the best recommendation yet. I thought the vocals didn't rise to the same level as the rest of it though; the dreary repetition of the title brings the song down quite a bit imo. Perhaps that was the guy's intention, but as Ken Kesey once remarked to a tedious, grumbling young man, "I'm not interested in your bad trip."

Apart from that, though, I genuinely liked this rec. Thanks.
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