Originally Posted by Merkaba

I can't debate anymore, I'm still trying to argue with my eyes to stay open.

I feel you have a very solid point boo boo, so yeah. good luck.

Originally Posted by Kempson

If it gets Boo boo off my arse then I'm all for it.

Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance

Christ boo boo you can back up an argument.. Initially, I was thinking it was sort of un-needed, we have plenty of forums now, and a few of them are already going pretty unnoticed, like the classical and electronica as you said. But, my say means just the same as everyone elses here, and I think that if you can keep it alive (which Im pretty sure you can, from reading this topic through) then it'd be a good idea. Maybe as a sub-forum somewhere, you said earlier about how we have an emo forum, which isnt as influential, just popular.. Well yeah, but its a subforum, so maybe thats the way to go here ? Anyway, we'll get more people to vote and get some more opinions on it all before we do anything..

Originally Posted by boo boo

Call me biased, i am a prog fan, but i do think that if this forums intent is to cover all types of music and get kids into other styles of music they havent heard before, making a prog forum would be a good start. I dont think it would hurt to educate posters here about progressive rock, which is one of the most misunderstood genres of rock. You may say prog isnt popular enough, but hell, isnt that good enough a reason to make a prog forum? To teach others about less popular genres of music? I dont see prog being any less popular or "un-hip" with kids nowadays than say classical music. Its certainly a credible genre, more than pop for sure...Prog isnt dead, its no where as popular as it was in the 70s, but it still has a very loyal following of fans from around the world, there are still many active prog movements in many different countrys, including the US, Canada, UK, France, Italy, Japan, Germany and Sweden...It would be a big step for this forum in expanding tastes and being a much more diverse site for music dicussion. You could get kids into new music and attract new forum members in the process. Prog is a very special genre in rock, and it has just as many sub-genres as metal and punk if not more. Many bands today incorperate prog elements in their music, like Sigur Ros, Mars Volta, Arcade Fire, Coheed and Cambria, Muse and many others. The reason i make this a issue is because if someone wants to make a prog related thread, they should have a proper place to put it. I was gonna make a Yes appreciation thread once, but i didnt know where to put it, weither to post it on the general music forum or the rock and metal forum, either way it would have felt too out of place, so that had me thinking. Sure you could say that prog is a part of rock so prog threads should just be posted on the rock and metal forum, but punk is a part of rock too, and it has its own forum, indie rock has its own forum. Why should they get their own forums and not prog?

Originally Posted by boo boo

Ok, thanks a lot... And a sub-forum would not be a bad idea, but what would be the best forum to put it in?

Originally Posted by LedZepStu

as much as i love prog, i think it in itself is merely a sub-genre of many different genres - not a genre in itself if you get me. its far too varied to have a forum erected in its behalf, we'd have punk fans, rock fans, metal fans, jazz fans, indie fans etc etc etc all converging into one big debate- which i was of the opinion is the main problem we have with forums at the moment anyway...
now a sub-forum woul be quite dandy, though again where would it be put? you'd hhave to have one for each forum as lets face it, every genre of music has its innovative, original bands that progress and push the boundaries of what can be done musically within the generic scope.

Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance

Youre the expert.. I was thinking under rock, but then it gets tricky with it being a rock & metal forum. Well, Im sure that wouldnt bother you, but anyway, we're not even saying anything is gonna happen yet.

Originally Posted by boo boo

Well its like i said, if you are gonna call it a rock sub-genre, why not call it a jazz and classical sub-genre as well? But instead of fighting about which genre it spawned from, which is stupid, making a forum would be a good idea...Prog is in a category of its own, if it wasnt, people wouldnt have such a hard time trying to figure out what category it belongs to.

Originally Posted by LedZepStu

that was my whole point, it doesnt belong to any specific genre, its far too broad a term as it applies to every set genre. and people try to categorize it because it cant really be a category of its own - due to its huge diversity, you've got influences and conventions from every genre and i just think it would become far too loose a term.

Originally Posted by boo boo

Well thats why i think it should have its own forum, i mean your arguement here could be used on anything, rock n roll was a mix of blues, folk, jazz and country. So does that mean the rock forum should be moved to the blues and jazz forum? Punk and Alternative are rock styles and they have their own forum, shouldnt they just be a sub-forum to the rock forum? Rap is just like prog in that it has spawned from many diverse genres of music, we are talking rock, reggae, blues, jazz, funk, soul, etc. All the genres in the world would trace back to just classical and folk, so maybe all the forums here except the classical forum should be made into sub-forums for the folk forum, since it all goes back to folk. So i dont really see where you are coming from.


However i will do anything to see that prog gets a forum of some kind, if its only a sub-forum to the rock forum, then so be it.

Originally Posted by LedZepStu

you have a point but the the rap, rock, punk/alt genres have all blended sub-genres to create a very instantly recognisable, set sound of their own. the prog sub-genre to me just doesnt have that set, instantly recognisable sound to it. but as i said im all for a prog sub-forum anywhere as i love it.

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

We don't have enough music-savvy members for any more forums to be successful. Take a look at the ladder 6 music forums. And, about 8 of the 14 available music forums are pretttty dead. It's because people are too busy obsessing over the same five bands in the rock and emo forums. Making threads in wrong places is just as effective. You'll see eventually.

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

Hahaha. Well if you're going to be inviting friends, find some that listen to soul, ska, reggae, indie rock, 1980s hardcore punk, and electro/synth pop and tell them to HOLLA at MB.

Originally Posted by Chronic

I don't think it will be particularly active. There's times that even this forum is rather thin on topics/replies...

Originally Posted by From Cosmic Left Feild...

The Prog Forum, The New Folk Forum.

No I don't think it would work, though if I remember correctly you vetoed the split of the rock and metal forums and if thats the case I find this kind of amusing.

Originally Posted by From Cosmic Left Feild...

would each of those split forums have their own prog sub forum? because theirs prog metal and prog rock

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

But if prog falls under a bunch of genres why bother? Surely you could just dicuss pink floyd in the rock forum without much concern..

Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah, but my ambitions are much greater than pink floyd. :)

Rock falls into many genres too, i mean just because a genre is very unique and has very diverse origins it dosent count?, that makes no sense, especialy with a rap forum, tell me the one genre that spawned rap, you cant, because its origins are just as diverse and random as progs.

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

Boo boo no offense dude but your throwing out dumb arguements and comparing genres which to me doesn't explain a thing.If prog bands can each fit into another genre why bother making a forum for them?

Originally Posted by boo boo

Because splitting them up into many sub-forums would be stupid, and not making a forum on the grounds that its "too unique" is even stupider...I dont care if its a forum or a sub-forum, there should be one, if its a sub-forum it should be in the rock forum and nothing else, prog rock is a type of rock, symphonic prog is inspired by classical music, but it is not classical music, its PROG, just like prog folk isnt folk its prog, nor is jazz rock jazz...Prog sub-genres are not sub-genres to classical music, jazz, folk or anything, they are sub-genres to prog, and i dont care about how or when, IMO it should have a forum, sheesh.

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

If it can fit into another forum then it doesnt need to have awhole nother forum dont take what i said way out of context.I didn't say it IS this genre and i said if they can FIT.

Originally Posted by boo boo

Like i said before, i would have no problem with a sub-forum in the rock section, prog is a style of rock, but i still think it should have its own forum or at least sub-forum, metal and punk are styles of rock too, so why they can have their own big forum and why prog cant even have a little sub-forum is beyond me. Especialy with all the other genres like Emo that have sub-forums.

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

Emo AND hardcore dont forget that hardcore is a huge genre with also a following no matter what you say if you walk up to 20 kids and ask them if they've heard the term hardcore,punk,emo and metal they'll say yes to nearly all of them you add prog rock and they'll probaly say "what?".Its not as popular and well known it would have a few regular posters and thats it its not needed if there would only be a few people to post in it theirs is no point to making a forum so a few members could dicuss it.Its not a needed thing at all it would do just as fine with out it as i said pink floyd could still be dicussed in the rock forum.

Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah, but pink floyd arent even THAT progressive, im talking but the majority of prog bands, those who dont have the mainstream popularity that floyd does. Anyway, if kids have heard of emo but not prog, thats their problem. But at least 7 people have voted, so thats 7 people who would be interested, in a couple of days it could turn into 20 people and in a week who knows?...I will even get other people to regester simply for the purpose of posting on the prog forum. And i know A LOT of people who would be interested. Prog is more popular than you will ever know, sure you dont hear it on the radio or see prog bands on MTV but dammit they do exist, just because the media dosent give them blow jobs like they do some bands makes no difference, like i said before, there are many prog bands, 1,983 bands from all over the world listed in progarchives, and thats just a tip on the iceberg when it comes to how many prog bands there really are. Its a huge movement and its still very alive today in bands like Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta and Mostly Autumm...Also because of MV and bands like Muse, Tool and SOAD, prog has gotten more mainstream appeal than it has in recent years.

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

I didn't say it didn't have alot of bands and your right it isn't popular which is gonna be a problem people get bored of dicussing music with the same people everyday and it wont be much diffrence with the prog forum twill be the same group of people with an occasional new person it will die out due to lack of interest.

Originally Posted by boo boo

I will keep it alive, believe me, i have been mod for other forums before. And i know tons of people, and i know how to spread the word, and i will tell my friends to spread the word to their friends and so on.

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

Fair enough if you can keep it alive and active then i see no problem.

Originally Posted by boo boo

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay....Lets celebrate by having a massive orgy.


....Not with each other of course. :)

Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

I call aita!

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Ill speak on behalf of a Prog forum if you help me get a rock metal split. All's fair in love and war, but this is politics bitch and there are rules or morales here.

And where the hell did you say you thought my split was a good idea, you tried to sell me people thinking VH, GnR, and LZ were metal. Don't double back.

Regardless of such hypocracy, your idea has merit, as did mine, if you work with me to achive both ends, Ill push you alot closer to your prog forum.