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Old 11-11-2010, 06:15 PM   #91 (permalink)
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If you were born fifty years earlier, there's a fair chance you'd either be dead, or in a diaper.

You may not have seen the past, but you'll see the future.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:16 PM   #92 (permalink)
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If I absolutely had to, I would live my teenhood through the 50's. In that era, there were legends on so many levels that living through the 50's would be magnificient.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:11 AM   #93 (permalink)
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I would love to have been around in the early 60s, such a creative time!
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:33 AM   #94 (permalink)
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First, I love avian worm vomit, That's beautiful... I wish I'd thought of it myself, however the context in which I was asserting that today's music was, "... the regurgitation of the culmination of 60 years of pop culture coupled with a short attention span." wasn't an indictment of contemporary music itself, beyond the fact that I'm asserting that it's not as closely tied to it's own particular time and place in history as much as a lot of the music that was created in the 60's was, but let's take a look at that.

There's a lot of music that was created in the 60's that was blandly unexceptional. You don't hear many people extolling the virtues of Boots Randolph and his Yakety Sax, but whether you're a huge fan of 60's psychedelia, or not, and, I'm really not, You have to understand that the late 60's was a tipping point in the expansion of our cultural and conscious awareness and one of the primary ways that that awareness was manifested was through the music that was being created during that time period. It was a very interesting and unprecedented time in our history.

Conversely, each subsequent era of music following the 60's has brought with it a new layer of musical and cultural influences, and each subsequent decade has also been affected by the compounding saturation of media influence in our lives which constantly jockeys for our attention. We are living in a time where our immediate cultural zeitgeist is the dizzying gumbo of everything that is and has been influencing our awareness since the sixties.

But really, There are a lot of things that make the 60's as relevant as they were. The impact of televised media was still relatively fresh and new and it's immediate impact on our awareness was full on and largely uncontrolled by the powers that be. The music industry was burgeoning. Rock & roll was a relatively new musical paradigm. The LP format had recently just become the default standard musical medium, and because of this advent, artists were releasing full length albums and creating long more cohesive musical suites precisely for that purpose. The art of studio overdubbing, invented and perfected by Les Paul, was being used to allow musicians to do things in the studio that would have, until that point, been otherwise impossible, including many of the psychedelic effects that many were experimenting with, Musicians were being much more influenced by what was possible and less by what the generation before it had done.

And on top of this, we were presented with a war, which for the first time in our history, wasn't just presented to us in typographic headlines on the front pages of a newspaper. We were inundated with images of unprecedented brutality and suffering and we, as a culture who had not seen anything remotely like it before, who had not yet been completely numbed from sensationalism being the order of the day, were deeply affected by it, and we reacted to it, among other ways, through song.

So, I'm not over here rocking' some tie die and extolling the virtues of all things peace, love, and psilocybin, (well, actually, that last part, I am). I do love me some Grateful Dead, but that's about the extent of it. And I don't think that today's music sucks at all. I own and love a lot of it. I just think that we are creating music from the foundation of a very overused paradigm, a 50 year old paradigm. There are many artists, both new and old, who have abandoned that paradigm for their own, and it's usually their music that I appreciate the most, but I do think we will be seeing another cultural and artistic tipping point very soon which will make the 60's seem as bland and uneventful as a dusty Boots Randolph record.
I'm wondering what makes you think that we're still using the model of the 60's for todays music. If I know that, I can respond.
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:23 PM   #95 (permalink)
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only if you're cherry picking the aspects of the past you'd like to live through.

yeah the music of the late 60s was awesome, how about the impending recession, unpopular wars, socially acceptable racism, socially acceptable sexism.

how awesome would it really be? ...
In all honesty, is it really better? The Economy blows, we are in a very unpopular war, although racism is better there are still a lot of racist people and sexist people. So, really the only big thing that changed is the music.
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:38 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Yeah but the music now, and especially the way we can translate the music through technology to people now, is phenomenal. I think the music coming out today is a lot better than we had in the 60's.
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:22 PM   #97 (permalink)
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Very true. I don't know what I would do without my Ipod. Although, I still don't think you can beat the sound of and old record.
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:26 PM   #98 (permalink)
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I feel like sometimes I would have fit better into other generations, but then I'm happy I was born in this generation. Being born when I was gives me the ability to listen to ALL the music out there. Even those obscure 50s, 60s, and 70s band that only a couple thousand people have heard of. So I am thankful for being born when I was because technology allows me to find bands I might not have known about even if I had been born back then.

I hope this makes sense.
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:30 PM   #99 (permalink)
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It does.
Still I like those festivals where the air breathes 'sixties' .
But that's just an idealised image created by very smart people in the 21th century.
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:47 PM   #100 (permalink)
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^Certainly, that 'hands on experience' if you will would have been amazing. I know the world wasn't exactly a friendly place back then, but I honestly feel sometimes like the 30/40s was when I should have been born so that I would have grown up in the 50s. That life style just suits me well. Oh well, I'm happy with when I was born, nonetheless.
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