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Terrapin_Station 09-01-2016 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1738802)
There are facts about what makes a good or bad guitar player

So why in the hell would you be arguing that you don't believe that? Just because Frownland seemed to be supporting you and was arguing that you don't believe there are any such facts?

Frownland 09-01-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 1738803)
Fact.

Is this an objective or a subjective word?

Key 09-01-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 1738805)
So why in the hell would you be arguing that you don't believe that?

I never said I don't believe Jimmy Page is a good guitarist, in fact, I stressed that I mentioned he is a good guitarist multiple times, however, I also mentioned that there are far better guitarists. Which is true.

Blank. 09-01-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1738807)
Is this an objective or a subjective word?

When are we not making subjective into objective?

Terrapin_Station 09-01-2016 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1738807)
Is this an objective or a subjective word?

As text, as a sound, etc. it's objective. In terms of semantics, it's subjective, of course, since meaning is subjective period.

Terrapin_Station 09-01-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1738809)
I never said I don't believe Jimmy Page is a good guitarist, in fact, I stressed that I mentioned he is a good guitarist multiple times, however, I also mentioned that there are far better guitarists. Which is true.

I'm sorry, but what I asked you was why you'd be arguing that you don't believe there are any facts about certain properties amounting to being a good or bad guitarist. That's what I'd be interesed in you answering.

Key 09-01-2016 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 1738820)
I'm sorry, but what I asked you was why you'd be arguing that you don't believe there are any facts about certain properties amounting to being a good or bad guitarist. That's what I'd be interesed in you answering.

Because in the grand scheme of things, it's all based on how you perceive those facts into your own opinion. There are facts that you have to follow to be a good/great guitar player i.e. guitar lessons, perfecting your craft, etc. Many guitarists are above the caliber that Jimmy Page sits at. Not everybody is going to see the facts the same way when it comes to playing guitar, because everyone has a different perspective of what they believe is considered a good or bad guitar player.

Chula Vista 09-01-2016 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1738801)
That's two more takes than I've ever done.

What part of the word different do you not understand?

Terrapin_Station 09-01-2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1738824)
Because in the grand scheme of things, it's all based on how you perceive those facts into your own opinion. There are facts that you have to follow to be a good/great guitar player i.e. guitar lessons, perfecting your craft, etc. Many guitarists are above the caliber that Jimmy Page sits at. Not everybody is going to see the facts the same way when it comes to playing guitar, because everyone has a different perspective of what they believe is considered a good or bad guitar player.

Wait, so in your view, (a) we can know the facts of being a good or bad guitar player, or (b) we can't know them directly, at least, and it's always a matter of "how one perceives the facts in question into their own opinion"?

Frownland 09-01-2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1738824)
Because in the grand scheme of things, it's all based on how you perceive those facts into your own opinion. There are facts that you have to follow to be a good/great guitar player i.e. guitar lessons, perfecting your craft, etc. Many guitarists are above the caliber that Jimmy Page sits at. Not everybody is going to see the facts the same way when it comes to playing guitar, because everyone has a different perspective of what they believe is considered a good or bad guitar player.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1738738)
Some of my favourite guitarists sound like they've never played a guitar before in their life to the untrained ear.

What you're describing is standardization, and that doesn't mean much in the way of whether or not it's a good system to be based off of. The lessons bit is a bit of a strawman, because if I started teaching kids how to play prepared guitar, which I'm excellent at and have a very deep understanding of what can make a great prepared guitar player, their parents would fire me because their kid didn't learn how to play Mary Had a Little Lamb.

So what you're calling facts in this post...are opinions.


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