I just want to lol at this entire post.
One of the most unselfish players in the game with a passing ability and court awareness, on par with vintage Steve Nash, and perennially among the league leaders in assists among all small forwards and you think he's not a good leader.


You HAVE to stay? Who said that you have to stay? I know the oft-quoted response to LeBron leaving is that Jordan stayed, but that's only used as a guilt-trip and nobody's ever said you have to stay. lol

Also, you are aware that LeBron resigned with the Cavs after his initial contract with them right? He gave them plenty of time but the management of the Cavs blows chunks and he got out of there once he realized he was doomed forever by staying there.

Lebron will go to the highest bidder and hes earned that right. Wade looks like he needs knee surgery and will probably come back just fine. Battier is inked for 3 years at 3 million a year hes not going anywhere for that cap hit. Chalmers is a cost efficient player also and will go nowhere. Bosh is inked and will stay. Pat Riley is probably thinking draft before he explores free agent options or trades.

All of these statements........................

For the love of God do you have a brain??? All of these statements either don't make any sense or are just wrong.
Battier announced his retirement before the ECF and he's going to ESPN as a college analyst, Chalmer's contract, along with everybody on the team, expires this year so it's impossible for him to be traded lol, Wade had a great season this year and shot by far a career high from the field, and who the hell knows what LeBron will do.

I had no idea Battier was retiring. He still has glimpses of being a decent player. I also thought Chalmers was signed for another year. I agree with you that Wade had a pretty good year. Lebron is gonna be gone to the right team.

It is different because we are talking about sports/teams... not a job. It's a different structure and dynamic.

Cleveland did alot for Lebron. He had been on the team since he came into the league. You are focusing more on the action instead of the principle. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to move to another team. However, it was classless the way he did it. The Cleveland owner and fans did not deserve that period.


He could have at least told the owner before hand.

Your right he doesn't owe anybody anything but at least that would show he has some intergrity and sense of respect. He obviously does not which is why he received so much backlash as a result of it.

He could have told the owner and still left Cleveland. It was classless the way he left and there really are no excuses for it.



I know what kind of "sports" mentality Lebron has so more than likely he will go to another team and go for the highest bidder. He doesn't have to listen to me lol This is just my opinion.

He does not have a good sense of sportsmanship and teamwork. He is wack because he thinks more about his self and individual contracts versus building a team and nurturing other players to win a championship. He does not want to play against the best. He wants the best on his team so he can win quick championships. Yes I think he is wack for that because Michael Jordan, Magic etc did not do that. I would NEVER mention him in the same sentence as those other great players because he does not act like it.



He didn't hurt my feelings because my babies won this year! :p::p::p::p:

The Heat are overrated and the team were exposed in this series. They have alot of re building to do as a team. Lebron is not "obligated" to do anything. Nobody is obligated to do anything. However, I do look at him side ways when it comes to loyalty and team effort. He seems to care only about his self. He doesn't care about his fans, being loyal to an organization or a team. He doesn't want to build a team or support his team. I think thats troubling because that is all apart of the sport of basketball and believe it or not that is also what makes a great player. Lebron is not a leader.







I am not whinning. I am just expressing my opinion.

Its okay if your upset about the Spurs slaughtering Miami. There is always next year ;)

But MJ did not hop from team to team to win a championship.

In fact, it was years before MJ won a championship with the bulls. They built that team with drafts and MJ waited. MJ rallied around his team, encouraged them and supported them! He was loyal!

Lebron did not do that. Lebron should never be compared to MJ, NEVER.

Oh his retiring?

Good.

Also, Wade was awful. He was hurt.

I don't watch ESPN 24/7

You don't have to be snobbish and nasty

Good points I didn't even think of.

Wade seems like a shadow of his former self. Didn't he get surgery already? Thats alot on the knee's.

Lebron will go to the higest bidder for sure ;)

Being cost efficient is a good reason to stick in Miami. Wade has had knee problems in the past, but hes pretty good at playing through pain. He'll be fine. Lots of talk of Lebron going to the Knicks. Not really sure what to believe. I hope the Lakers can secure Kevin Love, that is my one hope in the next few years regarding signing someone.

As much as its easy to forget, it is his job. It is his livelihood.

You're right it is his job. :)

What job were you trying to compare professional basketball to?

If I were to go along with what you were saying,

Don't you think you should tell your supervisor that you are leaving?

If I worked for a CEO I would tell my boss that I was quitting.

Its bad business and etiquette to not say anything and quite unprofessional.

If I wanted to get a recommendation for my new job from my old boss, he would probably not want to give me one because of the way I left.

I wouldn't want to give an employee a good recommendation, if they just decided to leave without warning. Its unprofessional

If you had any ounce of dignity and respect, you would tell your boss you were planning to leave your job especially if it was a job you had been working with for years.

Once again, there are no excuses for the way Lebron left Cleveland.

Well we were initially talking about him going to Miami because he wanted to win a championship, not the circumstances of his leaving Cleveland, and that's what I was referring to.

He clearly made the right decision in going to Miami. Pat Riley had already won a championship there and the pieces were there for Lebron to make a run at a championship. I don't fault him for doing it. I think the media circus he created was a real slap in the face to the cavs and their owner however.

If Euro-pass heavy offense is the nba's future the timberwolves are in a great position to take over!

That is my only issue with it.

There was nothing wrong with him going to Miami but the way he did it was not professional or tasteful.

We would have to compare the circumstances based on the analogy you gave. There is no getting around that.

I was referring to the way he left Cleveland.


So you don't think it was disrespectful and classless the way he left Cleveland?

Cleveland didn't deserve that.

2010 wants its argument back. :thumb:

No we wouldnt. This was what i initially responed to

and then this

Neither have anything to do with him handling his leaving Cleveland poorly (which I do agree with but these are seperate conversations).

My issue was with you accusing Lebron of chasing championships, or more accurately, saying that that is an inherently terrible thing to do. Which I disagreed with.

My analogy was meant to show how moving to a new job for personal benefits is not a bad thing at all.

Hard to say he had a good year when he missed 28 games, then dissapeared in the finals.

He couldn't do anything about missing the regular season games. He played well in the remaining games and all the way up to the finals. He did look lost for large parts in the finals, but that seemed to be a problem for everyone but Lebron.

I agree he couuld not do anything about it but it doesnt change the fact it is hard to say someone had a good season when 28games were played on the bench in a suit. And Lebron had his probs...remember game 1?

I'd call 1 out of 5 games about on par for most people, but yes Lebron had his problems in the sweatsock game. He had great averages for the games in which he played. I realize a smaller sample size is not indicative of what could have transpired beyond the other 54 games, but I will stand by what I said.

lol Yea it is old but lets be real, people will be talking about this forever!

Oh okay, I thought you were referring to something else.

Also, I disagree.... I think Lebron is chasing championships. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting championships. I just wish he had more team sportsmanship/loyalty which he lacks tremendously.

Agree!

Agree!

Lebron was not stellar this entire series either!

The only player with a guaranteed contract for next year is Norris Cole.


Your opinion on Wade has ceased to matter ever since you said the dude's not a basketball legend and a HOF.

Most of the games Wade missed during the regular season were back-to-back, next-day games. I don't think he played any of them the whole season. He was only injured for 8-12 games at the tail end of the regular season.

I am not debating the fact that he played well and contributed alot. I just can not say for someone of DWades status a season where 28 games are not played can be considered a good year for him. For another player, yea sure...but DWade is a future HOFer on a championship team going for a 3 peat.

You always tell me why my opinion does not matter but you never give evidence. lol

What does that have to do with THIS discussion?


Multiple posters have cited evidence to support that Wade did not do stellar during the series. He missed alot of games during the regular season and he did nothing during the final series.

If you think that Wade had a good season then so be it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :p:


I personally didn't and I think he might want to think about taking a break because he has had previous knee problems and I believe surgery. That is to much pressure on the knees. He is a shadow of his former self.

I guess I would argue that the number of games played in the regular season is not a good indicator of how well a player is doing, but despite that, Wade's scoring output has dropped steadily over the past 6 seasons, and I think that's probably a good indicator of how Wade's game has deteriorated. Of course, he shot a career high from the field so I will argue that it is debatable at this point.

It's not an opinion. It's difficult to say where Wade ranked in points-per-game this year because his statistic is skewed due to missing a third of the regular season, but if you count him among the league leaders in points, he is around the 25th top scorer in the league this season, out of some 400 players.
Take a seat 'son.

Also, that post was supposed to prove you don't know anything about D-Wade.



In an unrelated note, 'twas a sad day today for this man.

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordp...pg?w=600&h=410

Wades scoring dropped because the last 4 years Lebron has been the main man.

well it was dropping before that but yeah I (somehow) forgot about LeBron being there.


Anyway, I'm really looking forward to what Ray Allen decides to do during the offseason. I totally forgot about him in recent weeks among Miami's other players, but I really hope he doesn't retire.

lol

Watch these two vines of Embiid's reaction. I'd post them, but the archaic technology of musicbanter doesn't understand vine.

Embiid Philly reaction.


Also, Embiid earlier was shown using a black landline telephone, and he looked more like a buisness man than a basketball player.

haha

can you find one for zach levine?

Dude's face seemed real dissapointed coming to MN and who can blame him

In all seriousness, if I was drafted, I would much rather go to Cleveland than Minnesotta. At least Cleveland's got some potential. Minnesotta's got K-Love who for sure will be leaving, and Rubio, who is a considerably sub-par player with no offensive game other than passing the ball.

Also, the heat just traded for point guard shabbaz Napier. It's a bit odd as the need SG more than...oh no. I hope they're not getting rid of chalmers. Shabbaz is a 6'1 guard, so there's little chance of him playing the 2.

Phew! they tradded him for a SG. Well the heat got everything they wanted from the draft, well done team.


Also, as usual the Spurs are going to get the best player in the draft somehow with the 30th pick in the second round....somehow.

Who is currently the franchises poster boy. The young rondo comparisons are his saving grace. That said the overall offense is still better with Rubio.

So the Pacers are screwed.

Evan Turner is a free agent and most likely leaving. Lance Stephenson is a free agent, and as much as he and the Pacers both want to keep him, they probably can't resign him and improve the bench. The Pacers bench is already among the worst in the league and with the departure of Evan Turner, will in fact be the worst without question.

The Pacers made some boneheaded moves last off-season and a couple of questionable trades this season. Here's a quick recap:

Last offseason, the Pacers failed to resign Tyler Hansbrough for no other reason than to avoid going over the luxury tax. When free agent David West wanted more than the Pacers expected, they simply did not pick up Hansbrough's qualifying offer. A questionable move perhaps, but no bother. The pacers buff their bench considerably with offseason acquisitions of center Miles Plumlee and wing Gerald Green.

Then this season, feeling that Miles Plumlee and Gerald Green were performing inadequately, they traded both for Luis Scola. Plumlee and Green of course, went on to be two of the most improved players during the second half of the season. Luis Scola suffered from inconsistent performances and saw his minutes in Indiana slashed considerably. Also as part of the trade, the Pacers traded a first round pick FOR THIS YEAR'S DRAFT!

Then of course, there was then the Even Turner for Danny Granger trade and Evan Turner sees no reason to stay in Indiana, and even if he did, the Pacers simply cannot keep him. Indiana did not acquire anybody in the draft, they're over the cap limit, and there's not much they can do at this point to improve for next season.

The Pacers may have been among the small number of title contenders in the east at the start of the season, but I can't see them holding on to that title at the start of the next one without Lance Stephenson, a backup point guard, and a serious buff to the bench-and all of those are unlikely. This entire past season will haunt them for the next few years no question.

Anyone see the posters that Houston had up in their arena of Carmelo in a Rockets jersey?



http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0702...rd_600x600.jpg


It was a good showing for Houston...except for the fact that Melo and Jeremy Lin share the same jersey. LOL
Lin was pissed when he saw this apparently.
The funny thing (or not funny thing) is that Lin has to be traded to free up the necessary cap space if Melo chooses to sign there, so it's politically correct in a way.


http://www.nba.com/media/act_jeremy_lin.jpg

When the Pacers die and get buried, I hope this gets engraved on the tombstone.

As for the Houston-Lin diss, I thought that was really low for the Rockets. It was funny, but it was low. I've always been of the opinion that Jeremy Lin really is a legitimate player, it's just that McHale doesn't really know how to use him. As much as I liked seeing him play as a Rocket, I think moving to a new team with a better system will be good for Lin.

The Heat and Danny Granger agreed to a contract proposal ahead of free agency, damn! I mean just considering he's a former Pacer is itself impressive that he chose to sign with the heat, but even more shocking is that Granger said he wanted to return to the Clippers. I wonder what happened with that but Pat Riley has made the beginning moves on his promise to improve the bench during the offseason.

Also the heat and Josh McRoberts agreed to a preliminary contract proposal. He's another outside shooter and a decent playmaker. The wing will be much improved if they can sign them.

It's far from signing Lowry or Gortat, who have agreed to contracts with their respective teams, but really the heat needed a solid bench unit and terrific shooters like Granger and a play maker like McRoberts, and then you add Napier as the reserve PG, you've got a really solid second unit and it fits in well with Wade being the de facto sixth man in the heat rotation.