RIP Joe Paterno

**Janszoon** · 01-24-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I'm not surprised to hear you say that.

Like I said, he could have done more. But He's getting more heat than the other guys who should be held more accountable.

He gets more heat because there are still so many people running around talking about what a "hero" he was. Nobody's calling the other people involved heroes.

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

People act like he was the one abusing those kids. I still have respect for him. They should have at least allowed him to finish the last few games, he told them he would resign after the season. As long as he was there and as much as he did for that school, they couldn't even let him finish the season. And that's what I really have a problem with. I could understand him getting all this crap about it if he was the only one who knew about it and he kept it between him and Sandusky, but that wasn't the case.

He failed to report child rape in his workplace to the police, he shouldn't get to finish the season.

crash_override · 01-25-2012, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

He gets more heat because there are still so many people running around talking about what a "hero" he was. Nobody's calling the other people involved heroes.

He failed to report child rape in his workplace to the police, he shouldn't get to finish the season.

He reported it to HIS superiors, who assured him that it would be taken care of. So essentially you're condemming this man for trusting is his organization to do the right thing. I'm sure if you would have told him from the start that no one was going to do anything about it, he would have gone to the police directly.

He's not the least bit guilty in my eyes. It's a shame he had to spend his last few months the way he did.

**Janszoon** · 01-25-2012, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

He reported it to HIS superiors, who assured him that it would be taken care of. So essentially you're condemming this man for trusting is his organization to do the right thing.

I'm condemning this man for not reporting a really horrible crime to the police. The police are who you report crimes to, not your boss.

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I'm sure if you would have told him from the start that no one was going to do anything about it, he would have gone to the police directly.

What makes you think that? He saw his superiors fail to do the right thing for ten years and never said a word to the police. He could have spoken up any time but he didn't.

crash_override · 01-25-2012, 07:23 AM

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I'm condemning this man for not reporting a really horrible crime to the police. The police are who you report crimes to, not your boss.

What makes you think that? He saw his superiors fail to do the right thing for ten years and never said a word to the police. He could have spoken up any time but he didn't.

He was a football coach, public relations and criminal matters were above his pay grade, period.

Plus he didn't witness the crime first hand, all he had to go on was third-party testimony. What's so unreasonable about looking into the credibility of the accuser before calling the police? This matter was a school administration issue, not an athletic department issue. It's simply not their job to determine guilt or to go over anyone's head to launch a criminal investigation. He did what he was supposed to do. The sin is on Penn State upper-management, not on their football coach.

blastingas10 · 01-25-2012, 12:42 PM

I agree, crash override. I'm glad someone is seeing it like me. He never witnessed the crimes, for all he knew it may have not been true.

I can see how some people are upset with him, but I don't think he deserves all the flak he's gotten. Everyone makes mistakes. And I don't even think he made a huge mistake. If he had truly known and witnessed the crimes, and he just kept it between him and Sandusky, then I could understand all this hate aimed at him.

He's the complete opposite of Sandusky, IMO. Sandusky abused and ruined the lives of many kids. Joe Pa nurtured and left a great influence on the lives of many kids.

The Batlord · 01-25-2012, 12:59 PM

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He was a football coach, public relations and criminal matters were above his pay grade, period.

What?! So if you witness (or someone below you witnessed and reported it to you) child rape, you'd tell your boss instead of the police, because it's "below your pay grade"?! Moron.

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Plus he didn't witness the crime first hand, all he had to go on was third-party testimony. What's so unreasonable about looking into the credibility of the accuser before calling the police?

Well, while you're vacillating, another child might get raped. That's what's unreasonable about it. Especially since he worked with the accuser and would have known him personally.

Besides, he wasn't "looking into the credibility of the accuser". He was doing jack ****.

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This matter was a school administration issue, not an athletic department issue.

This was most certainly neither. This was a police issue. P-O-L-I-C-E I-S-S-U-E. What don't you understand about the fact that the school had no business dealing with child rape on their own?

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It's simply not their job to determine guilt or to go over anyone's head to launch a criminal investigation. He did what he was supposed to do.

When you suspect children are being raped, you report it to the police. The possibility of children getting raped is the first priority, with embarrassment to the school and suspect being a far distant second priority.

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The sin is on Penn State upper-management, not on their football coach.

The sin is on EVERYONE who didn't go to the police. The school and Paterno. Seriously, I don't understand this football worship that causes people to be ****ing retards when it comes to football stars breaking the law.

The Batlord · 01-25-2012, 01:04 PM

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I agree, crash override. I'm glad someone is seeing it like me. He never witnessed the crimes, for all he knew it may have not been true.

Which is why you tell the police. Because it MIGHT be true, and children MIGHT be getting raped. WHAT THE **** IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?! CHILD RAPE = TELL POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I can see how some people are upset with him, but I don't think he deserves all the flak he's gotten.

Honestly, I think he should have been charged with obstruction of justice.

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Everyone makes mistakes. And I don't even think he made a huge mistake.

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He's the complete opposite of Sandusky, IMO. Sandusky abused and ruined the lives of many kids. Joe Pa nurtured and left a great influence on the lives of many kids.

Tell that to the kids who got raped while he was letting his bosses handle it.

crash_override · 01-27-2012, 03:35 PM

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What?! So if you witness (or someone below you witnessed and reported it to you) child rape, you'd tell your boss instead of the police, because it's "below your pay grade"?! Moron.

There's no way he could have known the validity of the report at that point in time. Thanks for the moron comment, it really helps prove your point.

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Well, while you're vacillating, another child might get raped. That's what's unreasonable about it. Especially since he worked with the accuser and would have known him personally.

True, but this still doesn't prove Paterno guilty of anything. Like I said before, he routed the complaint to his superiors, which is commonplace in most employer sexual assault training maunals.

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Besides, he wasn't "looking into the credibility of the accuser". He was doing jack ****.

Speculation. Period.

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This was most certainly neither. This was a police issue. P-O-L-I-C-E I-S-S-U-E. What don't you understand about the fact that the school had no business dealing with child rape on their own?

The DECISION of whether or not the matter should go to the police most surely is a school administration issue. The athletic department has absolutely no authority to make that decision. The fact that you don't recognize job descriptions, and/or, chain of command, are irrelevant.

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When you suspect children are being raped, you report it to the police. The possibility of children getting raped is the first priority, with embarrassment to the school and suspect being a far distant second priority.

So I'm a deviant rival of Penn State, I go get an internship at their athletic department and, after a few months of working there, accuse the assistant coach of sexual assault. The entire athletic department is fired and arrested, and my team beats Penn State in football for the next 8 seasons straight. You call this justice? YOU HAVE NO PROOF!!! YOU ARE PROSECUTING ON SPECULATION AND HERESAY!!

I suppose you condone witch trials as well???

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The sin is on EVERYONE who didn't go to the police. The school and Paterno. Seriously, I don't understand this football worship that causes people to be ****ing retards when it comes to football stars breaking the law.

They are hired to coach football. They are not security guards, they received no observe and report training when they were hired. They want to coach football. When someone comes to you as a football coach and says I saw so and so assault a player, you send it to administration... THAT'S THEIR JOB, TO HANDLE IT.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that the man was doing his job. You are trying to crucify a man because he didn't do what you feel in your innocent little mind was right. Circumstances change, and false reports happen all the time. It's not his job to investigate assaults, it's his job to win football games, which he did pretty well.

Stop trying to taint a man's legacy just because he was used as a scapegoat by an institution who knew THEY did the wrong thing.

p.s. The Batlord raped me in the shower, arrest him please... No investigation needed, he's accused, that's enough to ruin his life. Take him away please. No seriously, I called the cops on you bro.

duga · 01-27-2012, 04:13 PM

So the police would have taken his word for it and arrested him? Yeah, I'm pretty sure the police would have investigated... Found it to be true... And then justice would have been served much earlier.

Maybe this is just me but if I reported something like this to administration and nothing changed (lets be fair and say I even wait a year)... It's time to bypass them and head to the police.

blastingas10 · 01-27-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

There's no way he could have known the validity of the report at that point in time. Thanks for the moron comment, it really helps prove your point.

True, but this still doesn't prove Paterno guilty of anything. Like I said before, he routed the complaint to his superiors, which is commonplace in most employer sexual assault training maunals.

Speculation. Period.

The DECISION of whether or not the matter should go to the police most surely is a school administration issue. The athletic department has absolutely no authority to make that decision. The fact that you don't recognize job descriptions, and/or, chain of command, are irrelevant.

So I'm a deviant rival of Penn State, I go get an internship at their athletic department and, after a few months of working there, accuse the assistant coach of sexual assault. The entire athletic department is fired and arrested, and my team beats Penn State in football for the next 8 seasons straight. You call this justice? YOU HAVE NO PROOF!!! YOU ARE PROSECUTING ON SPECULATION AND HERESAY!!

I suppose you condone witch trials as well???

They are hired to coach football. They are not security guards, they received no observe and report training when they were hired. They want to coach football. When someone comes to you as a football coach and says I saw so and so assault a player, you send it to administration... THAT'S THEIR JOB, TO HANDLE IT.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that the man was doing his job. You are trying to crucify a man because he didn't do what you feel in your innocent little mind was right. Circumstances change, and false reports happen all the time. It's not his job to investigate assaults, it's his job to win football games, which he did pretty well.

Stop trying to taint a man's legacy just because he was used as a scapegoat by an institution who knew THEY did the wrong thing.

p.s. The Batlord raped me in the shower, arrest him please... No investigation needed, he's accused, that's enough to ruin his life. Take him away please. No seriously, I called the cops on you bro.

This.

01-27-2012, 04:13 PM	#29 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	So the police would have taken his word for it and arrested him? Yeah, I'm pretty sure the police would have investigated... Found it to be true... And then justice would have been served much earlier. Maybe this is just me but if I reported something like this to administration and nothing changed (lets be fair and say I even wait a year)... It's time to bypass them and head to the police. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

01-25-2012, 12:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I agree, crash override. I'm glad someone is seeing it like me. He never witnessed the crimes, for all he knew it may have not been true. I can see how some people are upset with him, but I don't think he deserves all the flak he's gotten. Everyone makes mistakes. And I don't even think he made a huge mistake. If he had truly known and witnessed the crimes, and he just kept it between him and Sandusky, then I could understand all this hate aimed at him. He's the complete opposite of Sandusky, IMO. Sandusky abused and ruined the lives of many kids. Joe Pa nurtured and left a great influence on the lives of many kids.