InterGender Sports

YorkeDaddy · 10-17-2016, 10:17 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comm...yed_the_uswnt/

The UNDER 17 Men's National Soccer Team beat the USWNT 8-2. Not even close to the best team the US Men can field

This thread is a desperate attempt at making some grand point but is not taking any logic or facts into account. Even in golf women would not be able to compete under the same circumstances. Have you ever been on a golf course? The "women's tee" is generally a 20+ yard handicap closer than the men's. Women don't even play on the toughest, most famous golf courses in the world (like Augusta National). It's not a sexist thing it's just how things ****ing are, jesus christ

The Batlord · 10-17-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The US women's soccer team would run circles around the US men's soccer team. If women have the same physicality as men to go along with the talent and skill why wouldn't it make sense for them to be able to join male dominated teams? You are pretty much just saying that women are weak and have no place with the big boys.

To run circles around them they'd have to be faster than the men, and women are not faster than men. They are not as strong, not as aggressive, and are mostly inferior in any physical way that counts. It's not sexism to accept facts.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 10-17-2016, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

To run circles around them they'd have to be faster than the men, and women are not faster than men. They are not as strong, not as aggressive, and are mostly inferior in any physical way that counts. It's not sexism to accept facts.

I think I posted this before but I actually know a professional female footballer. She plays for a team in the English second tier. I have played against her and I'm miles better than her and I only got to a decent amateur level.

I guarantee me and ten of my mates would beat a pro women's team. Fitness might be an issue, but give us 8 weeks to stop drinking and a half decent tactics plan and you're looking at a cricket score.

DwnWthVwls · 10-17-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Why aren't you convinced that it is sexism? Also the only reason why it isn't realistic is because of people's attitude towards seeing men compete with women. It might not be inherently sexism but there is definitely some outdated cave man thinking at play.

That was eSports specific. Why in a sport where women are welcome to compete vs men and along side them, do they seldom do it, and when they do, it is with other women instead of mixed?

I think the problem starts with women wanting to prove to men that they can out compete them so there is a tendency to bond together instead of dispersing themselves among the majority. Sexism is most likely to blame for this mentality to begin with, but that still doesn't change the fact that when given the choice the majority of women choose to ignore the option. Again, this is strictly from an eSports perspective as idk fuck all about "real" sports.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 10-17-2016, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I like Jansz's point. What sport's would this work in?

I think anything non-contact is perfectly reasonable, but when you get into football/rugby or MMA territory, eh? I mean honestly, if a woman is talented enough to make it onto a pro-male team I think she should have the option, but how realistic is it?

I'd also be interested to see the statistics on the male/female ratios in sports and leagues that do not have restrictions. I know in eSports, female competitors are practically non-existent or form all female teams. Sexism? Perhaps. I'm not fully convinced though.

Cuesports completely remove athleticism. I can't comment on places like China where it is massive but I know in Britain you generally learn to play things like Snooker in working men's clubs. That's how I learned.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 10-17-2016, 10:52 AM

Also as far as I'm aware, nothing on the FIFA website prohibits a woman from playing in a full national team, they aren't 'men's' teams, they're first teams. Women's teams exist because women have no chance of playing in a full national team.

I remember reading about it when this article got published - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...p-women-sexism

The Batlord · 10-17-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

That was eSports specific. Why in a sport where women are welcome to compete vs men and along side them, do they seldom do it, and when they do, it is with other women instead of mixed?

I think the problem starts with women wanting to prove to men that they can out compete them so there is a tendency to bond together instead of dispersing themselves among the majority. Sexism is most likely to blame for this mentality to begin with, but that still doesn't change the fact that when given the choice the majority of women choose to ignore the option. Again, this is strictly from an eSports perspective as idk fuck all about "real" sports.

I tried finding reputable sources, but I really don't know any of the sites I saw when I Googled "men and women's reaction speeds", but all of the ones I glanced at agreed that women did not have as good reaction speed as men, and I'm sure with any sport that difference would be crippling, and eSports would be no different.

StarCraft players peak around their mid-twenties and then decline shortly afterward, which is an even quicker turnover than tennis, where you can at least make it to thirty before being forced to retire. And much of that is due to reaction speeds deteriorating around that age, and the sites I looked at also suggested that women maintained peak reaction speeds for a shorter period of time than men.

DwnWthVwls · 10-17-2016, 11:09 AM

What about a sport like horse racing? idk anything about it, but i think its segregated and i assume it might be one of the few instances where biology gives women the competitive advantage.

Key · 10-17-2016, 11:26 AM

InterGender Sports should be allowed as much as eSports should be allowed to be considered a legitimate sport.

The Batlord · 10-17-2016, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

What about a sport like horse racing? idk anything about it, but i think its segregated and i assume it might be one of the few instances where biology gives women the competitive advantage.

I don't see why a female jockey wouldn't be able to be just as successful or more than a male, due to lower body weight. I guess the reaction speed might be an issue, but I suppose a highly trained race horse might make up the difference to a degree. But I don't really know anything whatsoever about horse racing anyway, so that's just a guess. But I'd support merging men and women in that sport (although I'd be perfectly happy to have the sport itself abolished altogether).

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InterGender Sports should be allowed as much as eSports should be allowed to be considered a legitimate sport.

Upon further consideration I think it might only work with certain sports. If a woman tennis player could hold her own against men then I see no problem (though I doubt many if any would be able to go toe-to-toe with Novak Djokovic or Rafael Nadal), but full-contact sports like American football and hockey sounds like a bad idea. Not only would women likely be more prone to injury (differences in bone density for instance), but I imagine a linebacker tasked with crushing a female running back like a twig as he would a man might very well hesitate and hold back, which would undermine the integrity of the game.

That last point is conjecture, but I know I would be hard pressed to full body tackle a woman without any hesitation, and I imagine the majority of males would feel the same.

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10-17-2016, 10:52 AM	#36 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Also as far as I'm aware, nothing on the FIFA website prohibits a woman from playing in a full national team, they aren't 'men's' teams, they're first teams. Women's teams exist because women have no chance of playing in a full national team. I remember reading about it when this article got published - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...p-women-sexism

10-17-2016, 11:26 AM	#39 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	InterGender Sports should be allowed as much as eSports should be allowed to be considered a legitimate sport.