InterGender Sports

Key · 10-17-2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

What rules though? Like a face mask rule for tits?

Or just more padding to the more sensitive areas or something along the lines of "you can tackle whoever if it's for the sole purpose of winning the game." I dunno, something like that.

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I don't it's the women's willingness to be tackled that is the issue. Like I said, I doubt most men, and especially meathead jocks, would be comfortable with physical violence against women they weren't married to. /micdrop

I don't disagree with that at all, honestly.

YorkeDaddy · 10-17-2016, 12:08 PM

#1 farthest average driving distance among women in golf: 280 yards

That's not even in the top 100 farthest among men, where most are over 300 yards

DwnWthVwls · 10-17-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

#1 farthest average driving distance among women in golf: 280 yards

That's not even in the top 100 farthest among men, where most are over 300 yards

So? It's not a question of how well they can compete, it's a question of assuming they have the ability to are they allowed.

Does anyone know how many professional leagues give women the opportunity to try out? NBA? NFL? etc

grindy · 10-17-2016, 02:10 PM

I'm all for it, but I'm with the others who think women will have a hard time competing with men due to physical factors.
I also totally see people blaming it on sexism at some point and demanding some kind of quota.

The Batlord · 10-17-2016, 02:24 PM

Again, in theory there should be nothing wrong with women competing in anything, but the reality is that sports culture would not accommodate women in many if not most or even all circumstances (probably not all though). You can make a moral stand for this issue, but the reality of the situation is what it is.

djchameleon · 10-17-2016, 03:11 PM

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I wanna deal with this first as it's easy to **** on. Bobby Riggs was at his prime around the time Billie Jean King was born, so that's not in any way shape or form a fair comparison. And shortly before that there was a previous Battle of the Sexes match between Riggs and the top female player in the world, who was around the same age as King, and Riggs stomped her 6-2, 6-1. Yeah...

Boo, you are making excuses for his age.

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Cause the world's best female golfer can't hit a ball as hard as the world's best male golfer. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not talking about how hard they can hit. I'm talking about the handicap or whatever. Or maybe the two are related? IDK **** Golf, it's a stupid sport.

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Definitely not gonna disagree on male nerd sexism. But my point about differences in reaction speed still stands.

Okay so differences exist, if it's a team sport the slight differences in reaction speed won't mean much.

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Not that it should hold back equality, but wouldn't taking all the best players out of women's sports do serious harm to them since almost nobody watches them already?

serious harm? people barely watch them to begin with and the people that do won't really care about the best players leaving. Plus not all the best players would leave if they can't compete with the men so they will still have stars within their leagues.

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I don't know nearly enough on the subject to have a debate on it, so unless you do then it's probably wise to drop it. That is interesting though.

Why would I drop that when it ties into my main argument? It's the best thing to compare physical factors too. If people were so worried about physical factors then why did they allow different races to compete? Physical factors are always the biggest reason and first go to reason why people are against intergender sports.

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I'd say individual sports would be where they should be allowed to compete. Even if only one woman can be competitive in boxing then she should be allowed, assuming things like not wanting to uppercut a woman didn't interfere with the game, which I imagine it would. But that same problem would occur in many team sports, even ones with less violence.

Individual sports are where it would really shine and showcase the differences between men and women. Majority of the women would most likely end up losing unless they were skilled/talented enough to stack up.

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Uh... maybe? But I doubt people would be willing to tolerate the interim period.

It's the same thing with people not tolerating negros playing baseball for instance. They will get the **** over it.

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Originally Posted by grindy

I'm all for it, but I'm with the others who think women will have a hard time competing with men due to physical factors.
I also totally see people blaming it on sexism at some point and demanding some kind of quota.

It's a bit more than sexism. I shouldn't have just tossed that out willy nilly but it's just stuck in people's psyche that men shouldn't be competing with women because they feel like women are weak and wouldn't be able to hold their own against men. Even if they don't think they are weak they like to fall back on the physical factors/differences but the same can be said for different physical factors between races but different races are allowed to compete against each other.

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So? It's not a question of how well they can compete, it's a question of assuming they have the ability to are they allowed.

Does anyone know how many professional leagues give women the opportunity to try out? NBA? NFL? etc

That's a good question. I'm going to look into it.

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Again, in theory there should be nothing wrong with women competing in anything, but the reality is that sports culture would not accommodate women in many if not most or even all circumstances (probably not all though). You can make a moral stand for this issue, but the reality of the situation is what it is.

What accommodations would women need specifically? What are you talking about? Yes the reality of the situation is what it is but it shouldn't be and there could be a change in the future. You never know.

The Batlord · 10-17-2016, 04:58 PM

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Boo, you are making excuses for his age.

Age means a whole **** of a lot when it comes to sports. Being past your prime age is an insurmountable obstacle. If you don't get that then you simply have no idea what you are talking about. None.

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I'm not talking about how hard they can hit. I'm talking about the handicap or whatever. Or maybe the two are related? IDK **** Golf, it's a stupid sport.

It's ****ing golf. Aside from all the skill involved it's also about how hard you can wail at a ball. If you don't have the arm strength to compete with men then all the skill in the world (which the men will also have) is not going to save you. Again, you just sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Okay so differences exist, if it's a team sport the slight differences in reaction speed won't mean much.

No. StarCraft might be a team sport to a slim extent in that you can be part of a team, and train and get feedback with a team, and get endorsements from the team, but when it actually comes to playing you are completely and utterly by yourself, so if your reaction speed is not on par with your opponent then you are likely to get your ass kicked at the highest levels, since all your experience and strategy will be matched by your world class opponent. Your teammates are completely irrelevant and might as well not exist during a match.

You seriously just don't sound like you're willing to accept reality when it doesn't jibe with your social and political beliefs.

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serious harm? people barely watch them to begin with and the people that do won't really care about the best players leaving. Plus not all the best players would leave if they can't compete with the men so they will still have stars within their leagues.

And when the best skill in your sport is gone, and you're left with mediocrity, then even the skill of the players in the game will be laughable. Which I imagine would turn off even those few people who still watch to see the players who can actually do their job.

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Why would I drop that when it ties into my main argument? It's the best thing to compare physical factors too. If people were so worried about physical factors then why did they allow different races to compete? Physical factors are always the biggest reason and first go to reason why people are against intergender sports.

Because apparently neither of us know enough about the issue to use the argument in an intelligent way. I don't argue string theory with a theoretical physicist. If you can give me a scientific argument that refutes my point about men and women's reaction speed and I can't counter it without having expertise in the area then I would drop that too. And not because I'd be admitting you're right, but because the issue would simply be beyond my ken.

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It's the same thing with people not tolerating negros playing baseball for instance. They will get the **** over it.

Who were the negroes competing against in men's baseball? White men. Not white women. And the white men were not competing against black women. Straight up false equivalence.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 10-17-2016, 04:58 PM

Quite sure the NHL had a female goalie at one point. Gimme a sec to find a source.

Here you go. She was a good enough goalie to win a Olympic medals with the Canadian national team, but still couldn't hack it in the big leagues. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manon_Rh%C3%A9aume

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 10-18-2016, 05:35 AM

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Quite sure the NHL had a female goalie at one point. Gimme a sec to find a source.

Here you go. She was a good enough goalie to win a Olympic medals with the Canadian national team, but still couldn't hack it in the big leagues. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manon_Rh%C3%A9aume

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**Frownland** · 10-17-2016, 04:59 PM

Men simply cannot compete in competitive cleaning competitions. They would be annihilated.

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grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	I'm all for it, but I'm with the others who think women will have a hard time competing with men due to physical factors. I also totally see people blaming it on sexism at some point and demanding some kind of quota. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Men simply cannot compete in competitive cleaning competitions. They would be annihilated. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x