You'll be telling me he didn't mean to be racist next?

I've lived abroad, and you come to understand that while here someone has to be really racist to break the stigma. While in other places...it's like calling out someones nationality when you insult them almost (you fat yank twat), still bad, but not AS bad.

What do you to think about the terry thing. What I find odd is if he called him black, that would've been fine for the FA. If he called him a c*nt...that's fine too. But put the two together and it's not? And then someone else joking about enrique being gay for whitening his teeth being fined too.

I may support liverpool, but I'm not a filthy scouser!

:)

If you call a man, black and he's black. You're stating a fact
If you call a man a **** and he's a ****. You're stating a fact.

If you call a man a black **** and he's black and a ****. You're stating a fact.
You're also being racist!

Does a comedian telling a racist joke make him a racist person?

I could say someone is a black bastard and it wouldn't make me racist. Real racism is the belief that races have certain traits or charecteristics because of their race, believing that they are inferior because of their race etc, that is racism. Suarez calling Evra those names means he was trying to wind him up, it doesn't necessarily mean he believes black people are inferior, likewise having black friends or being friendly with Glen Johnson doesn't mean you are not a racist.

It is your beliefs and ideologies that determi e whether you are a racist person or not. Don't see why that is such a ludicrous thing to say?

I'd call it bad taste. Also extremely ignorant.
Also no excuse, therefore, racist!

Look, if you're an intelligent man and you make a racist joke/remark about another person, apart from being an idiot, whether they like it or not...they're being racist.

What Terry said was racist no doubt. He didn't neutrally point out Anton was black, he insinuated there was something wrong with being black by succeeding the word black with an insult. The statement was loaded with pejorative intent.

You are arguing with yourself there tbh mate because that is what I have already said.

I said saying something racist does not necessarily make one a racist person.

?

Enough to warrant court action?

Yes, you're referring to their race, but it's not like calling him a the n word. It's like the difference between using little and midget. One of the terms is specifically used to degrade them, the other is......insult fluff (fat/skinny/tall/short/spotty/whiny/dumb/ginger). One is far, far worse/more racist than the other.

Not that I'd ever refer to black/brown/white etc in an insult...even if you take the morals out of it, it's more hassle than it's worth, far too risky and you lose claim to any high ground. And like you say, it's racist afterall.

We're probably getting too political for a football thread anyway.

Aah. I see. It's not racist if you're being polite.
Silly me.

I'm referring to the Suarez incident, of course.
Suarez knew what he was doing!

I think it's a valid subject. Especially in football recently.
Although, I'd much rather discuss football. :)

And you're OK...for a scouser

Oh come on right-track.

Obviously bottom line is that any reference to race is technically racist. But you do get what we're saying though? Context, degrees, intent, target, comedy all play a part. Doesn't make it a good thing, but some are worse then others.

Not a scouser, I'm a liverpool supporter!:)
Who do you support?

I'd agree with you fully, if this was the 70's.

Edit: United

Read your posts back, it seems to me like you are disagreeing with what I have posted.

Can't be bothered.
Apologies if I have though.

Change of tack.

The best 1st 11 you've ever seen? 4 4 2 formation only.
This can be made up of individual players from English club teams only.
Including 3 subs.

Go...

It's cool, we are all friends here.

Speak for yourself

Come oooooon. All bad, some worse than others? A general joke VS insulting someone? "black" Vs "n word"? Bah, I know you actually agree, even if your principles won't allow it.

I said black and **** separately said, but combined is clearly racist?

Schmeichel

Neville
Ferdinand
Campbell
Cole

Giggs
Scholes
Lampard
Ronaldo

van Nistelrooy
Henry

Subs: van Der Sar, Gerrard, Solskjaer

current form or past players at their best?

Past and present. Choice is yours, so long as you've seen them play in your lifetime.

Fine, black **** vs nword ****. One's still a lot worse than the other.

Yes, racist. But to be completely technical anything referring to race is racist.

If someone just got punched in the face by a black guy I'd overlook it if he said "a big black **** just hit me" not if he described it as "a nword just hit me".

Shut up and pick a best fuckin' 11 you scouse twat!

:(

Schmeichel

Johnson
Stam
King
Bale

Beckham
Gerrard
Scholes
Giggs

Owen
Henry

Super Subs: Solskjaer, Shearer, Defoe

Faaakin hell.

I've only really paid attention to other teams relatively recently..soo..ones that i've watched.....

Van de sarr

evra
carragher
terry
cole
sub: shawcross

ronaldo
gerrard
scholes
robben
sub: lampard

henry
shearer
liverpool era owen

Schmeichel

G Neville
Adams
Ferdinand
Irwin

Ronaldo
Keane
Robson
Giggs

Cantona
Henry

subs:
A. Cole
Scholes
Gerrard

Scholes over Keane all day, by far the superior player. Same with Lampard, consistently good for a decade, Gerrard has been poor now since 2009.

I can see why you chose Cantona, but there are three or four strikers who are/were better than him.

EDIT - There is no way Ole isn't having the sub spot either.

Keane could do everything that Scholes can do AND tackle.

Edit: Cantona wouldn't be playing as striker, but as a forward playmaker and with Henry in front of him, there's no better choice.
And with Ronaldo in the team a loan striker is all that's required.
With Keane protecting that back 4 and Robson making forward runs, it's virtually unbeatable.

Keane was a work horse with incredible leadership skills. He did not have the vision, passing, shooting or creativity of Scholes. Even now Scholes is pulling the strings, he is awesome. Much better than Keane was.

Well there's no right, or wrong with football...just opinions. I'll give you that.

Never watched cantona...

Lampard may have a better club record goal wise, but is anonymous in the england team. Gerrard always gives his all and is consistently better than lampard really in the national side, even when he plays out of position to accomodate him. But I picked both anyway. Swap em if things need a shake.

Maybe try reading it again?

Keane was nowhere near as good as Scholes in all areas of technique, skill and vision. Quality player though.

Big Pete

Sagna
Ferdinand
Vidic
Cole

Ronaldo
Vieira
Scholes
Pires

Bergkamp

Henry

Subs: RVN, Keane and Campbell.

Some Arsenal favouring inclusions there.