Most overrated bands ever?

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Just because i'm bored & this is fun...

Originally Posted by boo boo

I'm not knocking them down for any of those reasons, I'm just knocking down your suggestion that they are more special than most bands.

I don't think they're a special band , I think they're special to me. Big difference. I can understand why people don't like them , which is why I've not bothered responding to your rather obvious Fall baiting.

I personally think Psychocandy was downright unlistenable, but I admire their originality, I just get annoyed with you having a field day with insulting every band you're not particularly into.

I personally think Lark Tongue In Aspic was downright boring & unlistenable but I admire their originality and don't mind a couple of their albums.

Stop condesending to me like that, I know what you mean by emotion, you don't have to spell it out to me.

What makes emotion? How do you determine emotional content in music? By lyrical content? Or by weither or not you like the guitar tone? Oh gee, I love Johnny Thunders guitar tone, what emotion.

I don't know why you keep on bringing Johnny Thunders up all the time.I only like the New York Dolls because they have a few good rock n roll tunes you can jump around to , nothing more.I don't think they're that wonderful. You seems to be implying that I go out looking for music saying to myself 'wow I really hope this is emotional'. Like I said thats just one thing I look for in music. There are plenty of other things I look for , creativity , expressionism , cultural significance , artistic merit or whether it makes me want to laugh , cry or jump around the room like an idiot.It's all a part of the experience of feeling what music can give you not just sitting there thinking 'hmmmm nicely executed middle eight there' although if thats what gets you off then go for it.

I can write about my experiences too, simply writing about your life experiences instead of looking for other subject matter isn't really that creative... It's not a bad thing at all, but weither someone sings about their sexually abusive father or their favorite work of Tolken fiction, there are no rules for what lyrics should be about, and the kind of lyrics a song should be about...It would be boring as hell if everybody wrote exactly what The Fall wrote about.

No, you are right there;s nothing wrong with Tolkien lyrics only that I loathe them because I find them so dull. I want some kind of insight to the person singing the songs through the music.
Yes it's nice to hear stories in songs sometimes , but I hate fantasy in general.So anything like that is a no - no in my book.

The thing is, just because its long, complex and unusual dosen't make it pointless soloing, you have to consider the style of music, the kind of composition, perhaps this is just the kind of music they are going for?

Which is why I have said over & over & over & over & over again it's POINTLESS soloing I don't like.Maybe your definition of pointless is less widespread than mine but i'm sure there are moments when you lose the will to listen to something because of excessive showing off , after all you hate Dream Theater too , which to me is just cheesy 80s stadium rock with endless wanking.

I beg to differ... I don't deny that a musician can be passionate about his/her music, that would just be stupid. What I am denying is the idea that it affects the music and how good the music is, or that it can be measured to determine how good a song is or how talented a musician is.

I can tell. Just listen to the first two Snow Patrol albums and then listen to the third when they just stopped bothering and bowed down to record company pressure to turn them into Coldplay mark 2

Lyrics may matter to you, but being an AC/DC fan myself they mean absolutely nothing to me, they're just a bonus, if they're good, that just makes the song a little better, if they're horrible, then it's not even an afterthought if the music itself is great.

And i'm the opposite , to me if the playing isn't that great I can forgive it if the band has something interesting to say or they capture my imagination in some way. Take Primal Scream for example , they'll never win any awards for musicianship but you can just see their love of music in the influences & nods to many different genres throughout their career. Nobody else thought of mixing Rolling Stones riffs with Acid House beats or mixing bangra with techno & punk. Taking all those many influences and making it sound like a Primal Scream record is a skill in itself and just as important to how well someone can play a guitar if not moreso.

[boo boo]

I don't think they're a special band , I think they're special to me. Big difference. I can understand why people don't like them , which is why I've not bothered responding to your rather obvious Fall baiting.

If you're not bothered, I have no reason to continue, I'll stop.

I'll also vote for them over Bright Eyes in the final poll, if I have to.

I personally think Lark Tongue In Aspic was downright boring & unlistenable but I admire their originality and don't mind a couple of their albums.

At least we've found some common ground.

I don't know why you keep on bringing Johnny Thunders up all the time.I only like the New York Dolls because they have a few good rock n roll tunes you can jump around to , nothing more.

I think their s/t was one of the strongest debuts around... I actually like The New York Dolls a lot. And Thunders was obviously very influencial on punk rock guitar. Not really being able to play and not giving a sh*t and still being able to make good music is what made them so endearing.

I don't think they're that wonderful. You seems to be implying that I go out looking for music saying to myself 'wow I really hope this is emotional'. Like I said thats just one thing I look for in music. There are plenty of other things I look for , creativity , expressionism , cultural significance , artistic merit or whether it makes me want to laugh , cry or jump around the room like an idiot.It's all a part of the experience of feeling what music can give you not just sitting there thinking 'hmmmm nicely executed middle eight there' although if thats what gets you off then go for it.

What you don't understand is that I don't like Yes because of their technical abilities, since I can name a lot of more technical bands than them that I don't even like. I like them because their music does mean something to me, I do connect with it... Steve Howe and Rick Wakeman knowing how to craft great solos is just a bonus.

Its not quite the lyrical content, though I do like their lyrics, it can be just the music, Eric Satie and Miles Davis have made some emotional impact on me, they never needed vocals or lyrics.

No, you are right there;s nothing wrong with Tolkien lyrics only that I loathe them because I find them so dull. I want some kind of insight to the person singing the songs through the music.
Yes it's nice to hear stories in songs sometimes , but I hate fantasy in general.So anything like that is a no - no in my book.

I'm a huge fantasy fan. So there you go.

Which is why I have said over & over & over & over & over again it's POINTLESS soloing I don't like.Maybe your definition of pointless is less widespread than mine but i'm sure there are moments when you lose the will to listen to something because of excessive showing off , after all you hate Dream Theater too , which to me is just cheesy 80s stadium rock with endless wanking.

Thats how I feel about them too, but if someone appreciates their music, then thats great. Just as long as they don't claim them to be the only great band in music, like Don did.

I can tell. Just listen to the first two Snow Patrol albums and then listen to the third when they just stopped bothering and bowed down to record company pressure to turn them into Coldplay mark 2

Its all guessing though.

And i'm the opposite , to me if the playing isn't that great I can forgive it if the band has something interesting to say or they capture my imagination in some way. Take Primal Scream for example , they'll never win any awards for musicianship but you can just see their love of music in the influences & nods to many different genres throughout their career. Nobody else thought of mixing Rolling Stones riffs with Acid House beats or mixing bangra with techno & punk. Taking all those many influences and making it sound like a Primal Scream record is a skill in itself and just as important to how well someone can play a guitar if not moreso.

I think they're pretty talented actually, they're quite versatile. And versatility does take some talent.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull & Porcupine Tree overly technical? .

After having to type the same shit over and over again, you leave out words. I should've said and/or, they'd fall under the boring category.

Originally Posted by boo boo

That is completely made up crap and you know it, you judge that simply on the half a dozen self proclaimed proggies on MB, and none of them from my memory are very closed minded, LesPaul is very open to Indie, Magmamar is into everything, I know little about Seltzer but I can assume he listens to more than prog. Most prog fans I know are pretty open minded to other genres, mainly classical, jazz, metal and some alternative rock... Though most prog fans dispise punk, I won't deny that.

Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I love Prog and agree with the statement above. How does listening to prog music affect how narrow-minded you are. If anything, the people that listen to al that pop music on the radio are narrow-minded. One harsh vocal and those guys are out of the room.

Because I said listening to prog = narrow mindedness right? No I meant the majority of prog fans I met except a few think its the best genre ever and anything else is below them and can't even touch it, same with most metal fans and i've met more prog fans then just on MB.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

After having to type the same shit over and over again, you leave out words. I should've said and/or, they'd fall under the boring category.





Because I said listening to prog = narrow mindedness right? No I meant the majority of prog fans I met except a few think its the best genre ever and anything else is below them and can't even touch it, same with most metal fans and i've met more prog fans then just on MB.

Dedicated fans of any particular genre are generally as you describe.

[boo boo]

Hah, exactly.

Every genre has it's douche.

[cardboard adolescent]

Fortunately we can all agree that post-punk is the only musical genre that's truly worth listening to.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

I do like post punk a lot. All the energy of punk but with better more thought out songwriting.

[cardboard adolescent]

The thing I love about post-punk is that where punk over the years became derivative and stale, post-punk just kept branching out and ultimately gave birth to a bunch of new sub-genres. It's punk but without all the pointless limitations.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by boo boo

That is completely made up crap and you know it, you judge that simply on the half a dozen self proclaimed proggies on MB, and none of them from my memory are very closed minded, LesPaul is very open to Indie, Magmamar is into everything, I know little about Seltzer but I can assume he listens to more than prog. Most prog fans I know are pretty open minded to other genres, mainly classical, jazz, metal and some alternative rock... Though most prog fans dispise punk, I won't deny that.

Yeah, I don't post too much nowadays so not too many people know me. I'd say my favourite genres are metal (I lean towards doom and thrash but listen to all metal), prog rock, post rock/metal and jazz. I used to be heavily into psychedelic rock, but not so much nowadays. I listen to a wide range of music but I'm stuck for time nowadays so I don't get much music listening done. I listen to a decent bit of alt rock, but I'm not a huge fan of using alternative as a genre description, so it wouldn't be up there anyway - everything seems to get lumped under that title. I do like some punk like Husker Du, Cro-Mags, Orchid, Converge, Public Image Ltd., Suicidal Tendencies, Minutemen etc. Favourite band is RHCP.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

Yeah, I don't post too much nowadays so not too many people know me. I'd say my favourite genres are metal (I lean towards doom and thrash but listen to all metal), prog rock, post rock/metal and jazz. I used to be heavily into psychedelic rock, but not so much nowadays. I listen to a wide range of music but I'm stuck for time nowadays so I don't get much music listening done. I listen to a decent bit of alt rock, but I'm not a huge fan of using alternative as a genre description, so it wouldn't be up there anyway - everything seems to get lumped under that title. I do like some punk like Husker Du, Cro-Mags, Orchid, Converge, Public Image Ltd., Suicidal Tendencies, Minutemen etc. Favourite band is RHCP.

Touché, regarding the use of "alternative" as a genre label. Not because the word in itself is deficient as a means of description of a genre, but because for some odd reason, "alternative" is used more often than not to refer to the most MAINSTREAM rubbish that there is!