telepicker

You did not state that; THIS is EXACTLY what you posted:

nowhere did you clarify that he "introduced" double-tracking to recordings specific to Beach Boys recordings.

I guess, by that measure, George Martin introduced it to the Beatles (in 1962); Jimmy Page "introduced" it to Led Zeppelin...Trent Reznor introduced himself to the concept...an awful lot of "introducing" going on.

Now, instead of being wrong, that statement was redundant; got it.

so...my opinion is only valid if it's NOT in response to what someone else posted?

all music is subjective; therefore, it's ALL about opinion.

All except for Brian Wilson "introducing" multi-track recording to the Beach Boys in 1963 - that is rock and roll FACT.

Necromancer

Yes..I see.. Do you mean that I shouldnt worry about the small things?
^or..should I feel like 'a small fish on a BIG fukking hook'.

Davey Moore

This isn't even a close comparison. In every category, from the quality of songwriting to influence on their time period, The Beatles are champs. In my mind the only people to rival them in terms of quality from that time period were Dylan and The Stones. Though I think Dylan tops them all, but that's just me.

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telepicker

idk -it's your life; the choice is yours.

Nice way to avoid the question I asked you, though.

finally, a sane voice of reason.

Necromancer

I prefer to listen to the Beach Boys music more often than I listen to the Beatles, just a personal preferance.

boo boo

So is a lot of music that you kids hate so much and call overblown and whatever. Why is Pet Sounds the greatest pop record? Because it has such lush arrangements? The arrangements are very ahead of their time but the music structure is nothing out of the ordinary in pop music. Besides lush arrangements in pop music wasn't really anything new, guys like Burt Bacherach (an undeniable influence on Pet Sounds) were doing it all the time.

By comparison lets look at two other records released that year. Freak Out by the Mothers of Invention while far less accessible was something never done before in rock or pop music, a combination of biting social satire, genre parody and crazy avant garde experimentation. It was a commercial failure but it's influence and innovations are argubly greater than Pet Sounds.

The other groundbreaking record of that year is more obviously Revolver by The Beatles. Unlike Pet Sounds this was NOT just pop music with more elaborate arrangements. Every song is in a different style, while some were The Beatles attempt at already established forms of pop music, others were brave new experiments, the band and George Martin used all kinds of new techniques and gadgets that really showed what could be done in a studio, stuff that couldn't be imitated live at the time. Sgt Peppers and Magical Mystery Tour expanded on these concepts and were the gateway to progressive rock music.

That being said you can still say Pet Sounds is the better record in pure musical quality, I'm just tired of everyone saying it's the most important record ever made.

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staurtjohn321

Dude Seriously, is there a comparison?

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Davey Moore

Good point. I've never heard anyone say something along the lines of 'that kind of thing was never heard before The Beach Boys did it.'

On the other hand, had anybody really made a song like Tomorrow Never Knows until Tomorrow Never Knows came out?

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almauro

Come on, Pet Sounds is far better than Help!. The best thing I can say about Help! was the Beatles finally figured out how to take a Ringo Starr song and use it as comic relief . The Beatles were obviously more consistent, but other than the 2nd half of "Abbey Road", they just don't move me the way a great Brian Wilson song like "Surfs Up" does. I think, the Beach Boys and Wilson's orchestrated pop and the amazing vocal harmonies and arrangements, we're the first to prove pop music could be ethereal, transformational and transcendental. That's not to say the Beach Boys didn't put out their far share of duds, but I find their peaks more essential than the Beatles.

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bpn

Agreed completely with this.

Help! really started a string of great Beatles albums. It really isn't that much like their first 4 albums.