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Old 01-16-2013, 11:13 PM   #51 (permalink)
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See what I mean. There's no actual commenting on the specifics I wrote.

As for heeding suggestions, I haven't seen it, except for pursuing technical changes. It's like, No, we're already doing a great job, even though obviously suggestions come from some dissatisfaction and even as Janszoon himself indicates he's not happy with the caliber of MB's music discussion. Believe me, if there were a healthy alternative to this site, I would instead be there enjoyably talking music instead of trying to sway basically a brick wall.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:27 PM   #52 (permalink)
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See what I mean. There's no actual commenting on the specifics I wrote.
What kind of specific commenting were you looking for with your extremely hostile comments?

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As for heeding suggestions, I haven't seen it, except for pursuing technical changes.
Really? Because technical changes are something we have no ability to do anything about. I think you're far more likely to to see us heeding or having conversations about non-technical changes, as evidenced by this very thread.

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It's like, No, we're already doing a great job, even though obviously suggestions come from some dissatisfaction and even as Janszoon himself indicates he's not happy with the caliber of MB's music discussion.
I think you're wrong on both counts there. We're always open to improve things. And I have no idea why you think I personally am not "happy with the caliber of MB's music discussion", but I assure you that's not the case. There's always room for improvement of course, but if I didn't like this place I wouldn't be here.

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Believe me, if there were a healthy alternative to this site, I would instead be there enjoyably talking music instead of trying to sway basically a brick wall.
For the umpteenth time: if you feel this way stop spending all your time complaining and put some effort into starting the kinds of music conversations you'd like to see.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:44 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Charming.

My post wasn't way off-topic and addressed the root of the issue. If you don't want hostility, change your approach. For example, be open-minded to the suggestions of people like Ki. There aren't enough good discussions. Shutting down threads (officially or with derision) discourages attempts at conversation by those involved and onlookers.
I am very open to Ki's suggestion, I think it's a good idea. Whether or not it would work here remains to be seen.

You're the one who is being hostile here, and you always come across that way when responding to people who you think are shooting down the things you're saying, to be very honest with you. I read your posts and take your ideas into account because I have an open mind. However, I continually wonder why you remain an active member here if you find more negative faults with the forum than things to praise. The rest of us love this place, and of course there are things that we gripe about and things that should or could be changed/improved upon, but the majority of us feel that the pros outweigh the cons at MB.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:01 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Charming.

My post wasn't way off-topic and addressed the root of the issue. If you don't want hostility, change your approach. For example, be open-minded to the suggestions of people like Ki. There aren't enough good discussions. Shutting down threads (officially or with derision) discourages attempts at conversation by those involved and onlookers.
I'm holding my tongue respectfully, but I would like ask you kindly to please stop coming into my thread and making it sound like there's something wrong here. You're the only person being hostile, and I would appreciate it if you just stop. Please, I wanted to express this idea and a lot of people like it, so it means a lot to me that i'm not the only person who thinks it's a good idea.
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What BD said.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:09 AM   #56 (permalink)
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What kind of specific commenting were you looking for with your extremely hostile comments?
Just admit I'm rarely rude to people in their threads and am not quick to name-calling or other similar behavior. Start with an accurate recognition of me as a person, and theoretically productive dialogue could result.

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Really? Because technical changes are something we have no ability to do anything about. I think you're far more likely to to see us heeding or having conversations about non-technical changes, as evidenced by this very thread.
Those conversations might go on longer, but they don't seem to lead anywhere.

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I think you're wrong on both counts there. We're always open to improve things. And I have no idea why you think I personally am not "happy with the caliber of MB's music discussion", but I assure you that's not the case. There's always room for improvement of course, but if I didn't like this place I wouldn't be here.
Weren't you just complaining about "standards"? Oops, no, that was the other guy.

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I already tried that. It did not get the reaction I wanted, and I might as well protest by doing less, heading away from "active member" status. At this point, I am waiting for moderators to show they are willing to change their behavior and drag others along with them. I haven't seen consideration of any facets of that. For example, the very relevant closure-related idea of an apolegetic tone in some circumstances was ridiculed.

Edit: well, Ki, I disagree that the misbehavior is all mine, but if you want to advocate the "tone" idea, go for it, while I head to the sidelines.
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I'm okay if the mods want to close this thread now and bring this idea up at another time. My only purpose was to put it out there and it's done a good job nonetheless.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:18 AM   #58 (permalink)
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I'm okay if the mods want to close this thread now and bring this idea up at another time. My only purpose was to put it out there and it's done a good job nonetheless.
We can just split off or delete the Popsych derail if you'd like. What would you prefer?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:20 AM   #59 (permalink)
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We can just split off or delete the Popsych derail if you'd like. What would you prefer?
Personally it doesn't bother me either way. I had a few expectations that were met out of making this thread i.e. getting the idea out there, getting people to discuss the idea, and putting out there the possibility of bringing it up in the future. Also, the addition of the link to the thread bans was a nice touch, so I say the thread was an overall success by my standards.

I'd go ahead and close it and do what you wish with it, i'm happy with the outcome
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:22 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Alright, I'll close it if that's what you want. Let one of us know if you want it reopened.
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