pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Yeh, but I asked if you consider it music. I understand it's a field recording, but I don't know if I would always consider field recordings music.

That depends on what the artist who recorded it wanted it to be, but I've largely only heard of field recordings as being done for music so I would say yes. If it was someone making sound effects for a film, maybe I would say no. Then again, the person who was doing that came along and said that it was music then I would concede because it's not up to me to decide what music is or isn't.

DwnWthVwls · 07-06-2015, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That depends on what the artist who recorded it wanted it to be, but I've largely only heard of field recordings as being done for music so I would say yes. If it was someone making sound effects for a film, maybe I would say no. Then again, the person who was doing that came along and said that it was music then I would concede because it's not up to me to decide what music is or isn't.

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 04:40 PM

And about this...

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Then again, the person who was doing that came along and said that it was music then I would concede because it's not up to me to decide what music is or isn't.

Why not? I'm allowed my own interpretation of art in general, why shouldn't I be able to also interpret what kind of art it is?

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why not? I'm allowed my own interpretation of art in general, why shouldn't I be able to also interpret what kind of art it is?

Because it's not up to the listener to decide what the piece is. You're free to your own interpretation, but if you go around saying that Jaws is a film about aliens and Spielberg comes and shuts you down on it, your interpretation is wrong. You can still hold onto that interpretation, but since you didn't create it, it's not your place to say, especially after being told otherwise.

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Because it's not up to the listener to decide what the piece is. You're free to your own interpretation, but if you go around saying that Jaws is a film about aliens and Spielberg comes and shuts you down on it, your interpretation is wrong. You can still hold onto that interpretation, but since you didn't create it, it's not your place to say, especially after being told otherwise.

But if Spielberg believed that he had been abducted by aliens, and subconsciously made Jaws into an expression of his trauma at the hands of the aliens, then even if he told me I was wrong, that wouldn't mean I necessarily was.

Likewise, if John Cage wants 4'33 to be interpreted as music, but I find that his reasoning doesn't add up, then shouldn't I also be able to contradict him?

DwnWthVwls · 07-06-2015, 04:47 PM

Art is only open to interpretation when the artist hasn't confirmed what kind of art it is supposed to be.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 04:52 PM

so if I just made a fart noise and said it was a joke you would laugh?

07-06-2015, 05:04 PM

^no. artists are like a delicate endangered species that we mustn't disturb with facts or logic. otherwise they aren't free to create and then they go extinct and global warming wins

YorkeDaddy · 07-06-2015, 05:36 PM

The tacos I had for dinner today are music

And you can't debate that because I said so and I'm the one that had the tacos.

^^ genre-bending musical masterpiece

Now kiss my feet Frownland

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

The tacos I had for dinner today are music

And you can't debate that because I said so and I'm the one that had the tacos.

^^ genre-bending musical masterpiece

Now kiss my feet Frownland

Give it an hour, and then you'll be making some real music.

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07-06-2015, 05:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
John Wilkes Booth Guest Posts: n/a	^no. artists are like a delicate endangered species that we mustn't disturb with facts or logic. otherwise they aren't free to create and then they go extinct and global warming wins