Originally Posted by Frownland

Go trot through my 1300 arguments explaining why in this thread: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-what-not.html. The very basic answer is that the piece still relies on sound. It's a common misconception to refer to it as a "silent piece" since while the instruments are silent, the piece is not silent at all. Due to its sonic elements and the fact that it's intended to be music, then it is music. It has a value as performance art though, but the overarching field is music.

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'd vote for Trump

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If it's music then he should be able to perform it without and audience.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If it's music then he should be able to perform it without an audience. Also, since he can't why is he getting credit for the piece and not the people performing the music? Fucking thief imo.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If it's music then he should be able to perform it without and audience.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Go trot through my 1300 arguments explaining why in this thread: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-what-not.html. The very basic answer is that the piece still relies on sound. It's a common misconception to refer to it as a "silent piece" since while the instruments are silent, the piece is not silent at all. Due to its sonic elements and the fact that it's intended to be music, then it is music. It has a value as performance art though, but the overarching field is music.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is the kind of pretentious nonsense that annoys me about art. Art is what the artist says it is? So if I take a dump on a canvas and then say it represents the urban alienation of inner city tenement dwellers, that's art, is it? Jesus preserve me. Be honest Frown: you only think this is art cos Cage did it. Anyone else and you'd be the same as most of us, thinking it was a blank canvas.

Also, as for 4:33, I always wondered (well, since I found out this "masterpiece" existed, about a few months ago) what happens if someone coughs, farts or talks during the performance? Does that then change it? How can silence be art? Bloody hipsters.

And again:

Originally Posted by Machine

Well not nessesarilly, but I imagine he could. There would still be room ambience from the room that he's playing/recording in.

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'd vote for Trump

Originally Posted by The Batlord

No, this was your argument. Only this. Everything else was pretentious nonsense meant to make that argument look less circular.

Originally Posted by Frownland

(btw Trollheart, those last two sentences are jokes. I'm aware that I'm wrong sometimes.)

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'd vote for Trump

Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty

I think that using actual percussion for your percussion is totally overrated. You can use ASMR videos, hail, rain, rocks, things being dropped, doors being slammed, etc etc.