pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 06:16 PM

Music is whatever you want it to be. Once you start saying that music stops *here*, then you're closing yourself out of a world of new music. Whether something is or isn't music is not even an arguing point as far as I'm concerned. Whether it's clever, ****, melodic, or any other thing about it is a different story. It is most certainly a valid point by itself when an artist puts something out as music. You can go ahead and keep attempting these mental gymnastics but when it comes down to it I'm never going to disagree with an artist on whether their art is art. It's a shame that speaking out against a close minded view of music earns me the label of pretentious.

DwnWthVwls · 07-06-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Once you start saying that music stops *here*, then you're closing yourself out of a world of new music.

So? I don't have to consider something music to enjoy my sense of hearing. I'm not missing out on anything I'm just classifying it as something else.

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Music is whatever you want it to be. Once you start saying that music stops *here*, then you're closing yourself out of a world of new music. Whether something is or isn't music is not even an arguing point as far as I'm concerned. Whether it's clever, ****, melodic, or any other thing about it is a different story. It is most certainly a valid point by itself when an artist puts something out as music. You can go ahead and keep attempting these mental gymnastics but when it comes down to it I'm never going to disagree with an artist on whether their art is art.

What that all amounts to is that music has no definition. If music has no definition then you're not arguing about music (as you've just said, but contradicted many times), you're arguing for the prestige of being able to call something music.

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It's a shame that speaking out against a close minded view of music earns me the label of pretentious.

Okay, Soulflower.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 06:28 PM

Whatever music is, 4'33" is part of it. *shrug*

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 06:31 PM

DwnWthVwls · 07-06-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

The Batlord · 07-06-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Is that directed towards me or him?

DwnWthVwls · 07-06-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Is that directed towards me or him?

You. I like Frownland.

**Frownland** · 07-06-2015, 06:33 PM

I think I've made my position pretty clear.

DwnWthVwls · 07-06-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think I've made my position pretty clear.

I get what your saying and I don't entirely disagree but I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere before the artist getting final say. There is something to sound that when you hear it you think either music or just sound/noise/ambience, and although the two can cross paths all sound isn't music regardless of the intention.

07-06-2015, 06:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Music is whatever you want it to be. Once you start saying that music stops here, then you're closing yourself out of a world of new music. Whether something is or isn't music is not even an arguing point as far as I'm concerned. Whether it's clever, ***, melodic, or any other thing about it is a different story. It is most certainly a valid point by itself when an artist puts something out as music. You can go ahead and keep attempting these mental gymnastics but when it comes down to it I'm never going to disagree with an artist on whether their art is art. It's a shame that speaking out against a close minded view of music earns me the label of pretentious. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x

07-06-2015, 06:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Whatever music is, 4'33" is part of it. shrug __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

07-06-2015, 06:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I think I've made my position pretty clear. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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